Gastric Bypass

so sorry 'bout that chris. your policy excludes "obesity", what about
"morbid obesity"? a pretty unpleasant phrase, but qualifying as an
MO got me wls. keep trying!!
lori h.

The woman my husband heard of had a leak they couldn't stop, so she
went septic and died, but honestly I don't know if she had any other
problems. I have met this surgeon and he has been very open and
honest. He gave us the risks of the surgery. Most the doctors I have
looked into have at least lost a patient.
Ang

Why would you us the same doctor as this women who passed away ? What sort
of complications did she have ?
Robin O - Calif

Well I just got notice that my insurance did not pay for my initial
visit with my surgeon. They said my plan does not cover obesity. I
wonder if this means they will not be covering my surgery. It's so
frustrating.
When I called the insurance about they said that if and when the
surgery gets approved then they will reevaluate any of these charges.
Just nice to know that I may be stuck with a $300.00 bill that I
definitely can't afford.
My surgery is scheduled for November 12, and I still have no clue
whether its going to be approved. The insurance company requested
more information including a psych eval and chart notes for the last
3 years from my physician. That's really easy to get....lol. Well I
just needed to vent a little Hoping things work out eventually
Chris RNY
11/12/03 (hopefully)

Hi Angela, GO for it I was afraid to have it done also because two people I
know died from complacations .But I knew if I didn't have it done I was
going to have a heartattack. I am 49 5'1" and weighted 262 the day of my
surgery which was on 3/25/03 I am now down to 187. There was a period of
about 3 weeks where I didn't loose anything. I feel better than I have in 20
years.

kicking butt, steve!!! you're gonna make it; that faintly remembered
terrain will be reality!
lori h.

I hit my first when I was 4 weeks and after about 4 days of varying
between 2-4 pounds each day(weighing in the morning before eating or
drinking)...I decided that I was weighing too much(everyday) and
decided to weigh in once a week because I was getting seriously
frustrated...I was also not exercising as much as I should have been,
but hadn't changed my diet...and I also realized that even though I
was not losing pounds I was still losing inches(as I found out when I
slipped on a pair of my fav pants and they were
loose...woooohooooo)...from what I have gathered from the posting
everyone hits plateaus at different times...and also I have
learned...water, protein, water, protein...they are best friends!!
Hannah
open RNY
9/29/03
288/256(as of last week)

who's tempted by halloween candy? why is it that i'm like a little
kid when it comes to treats?
/////
the south miami hospital meeting will be held nov 6, earlier than
usual due to the thanksgiving holiday. a dietician will be featured.
next wednesday is the Cedars hospital meeting, formerly held @ Mercy.
email muuu-ah if you need more info.
lori h.
18 great months post-op in the magic city

welcome aboard angela. surgery is a big ole step, a lot of soul
searching & weighing the risks & benefits are part of it. you're not
alone, i distinctly remember my pre-op existence, the despair &
self-consciousness, the fatigue, etc. surg hasn't been a cakewalk
either, there's hassle & lots of sacrifice involved. but it's been
worth it, it feels great to join the "regular" population.
keep posting!
lori h.
18 super grateful months out

Quick update:
Just when it looked like my weight loss was finally starting to slow down, I
have lost another 15 lbs. in the last 4 weeks, a total loss now of 284 lbs. Now
only 22 lbs. from my initial goal to be under 300 for the first time in 21
years!
Steve G.
open RNY 5/6/02 Dr. Mark Gibbs
605/321/299

don't let that neglectful bozo get to you! he ain't worth it!!
lori h.

Hello group, my name is Angela. I am 26 years old. I live in southern
Ohio. I am a nurse working full-time nights and going to college part-
time. I am a newlywed of almost 6 months. I have no children of my
own, but we do share custody of my husbands son, Mikie, who is 10. I
have been overweight since elementary school. I am at my highest
weight ever and I want to do something about it. I have looked into
this surgery for a couple of years now. I finally decided to try to
have it done. I went to the required seminar, seen the dietician and
physical therapist, and I have an appointment to see the
pulmonologist in December(that is the soonest I could get in). My
husband wishes I did not want this done. He thinks I look fine the
way I am, but of course he does, he is my husband. He says he
supports me, but he is just scared. I guess he has reason to be
scared, because a few months ago, a guy he works with, his wife had
this done and died from complications. The surgeon I want to do my
surgery is the one who did hers. I have faith and I know the risks,
but I still want it done. I have tried many, many other diets and
programs, like everyone else I am sure, nothing works for me. It has
become more increasingly difficult to exercise, I get short of breath
very easy, and it is even getting difficult to be on my feet all
night at work. Some nights I feel as if my back could just give out
any second. I have high blood pressure and depression. There is a
family history of diabetes and heart conditions in my family. I just
pray that I can have this surgery and come through it okay. Well,
that is me!! Anyone feel free to email me anytime. I am just looking
for encouragement and support. I would love to hear from anyone who
has had the surgery and has complications or even those who haven't
had any. I wish you all the best, and may the Lord heal you and bless
you. Thank you, Angela

Dear Alicia,
My daughter was almost five when I had my surgery. She was definitely able
to comprehend what was going on. I had to make her understand a few things
though because she was (and still is) extremely attached to me and wanting
to be held all the time. I told her that mommy was going to have her belly
operated on so I would eat less food and get skinnier. She liked the idea.
I told her I would not be able to lift her up onto my lap for a very long
time (because 6 weeks, to kids, is eternity). I also made sure she knew
that she would be able to snuggle with and lay next to me all she wanted,
but I just couldn't lift her. She was fine with that.
As for the hospital stay, I sent her to my sister's while I was gone so it
was a big adventure for her. If your kids are staying home with someone
else, perhaps they could plan a visit to chuck e. cheese or the park or
something that will occupy their time so they won't miss you quite so much.
My daughter was a little resentful when she got home (not that she didn't
have a good time) because I was gone, but kids are resilient and when they
realize that you're home now and not going away without them again anytime
soon, they recover. Just be patient if she gets an attitude for a day or
two...
Good luck to you. It's gonna be fine.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie, Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Wow what a year indeed!!!!! Congrats on all you have accomplished!!!
Candi

Hi Alicia,
First of all, Congratulations on your surgery date.
I've always had the mind set that if the child could even basically comprehend
what was going on, I tell them in terms they can relate to. I had a surgery 2
years ago. My kids were 1,3,5,8. The two older kids knew I was going into the
hospital so that I could have an operation to take out a sick part of my body.
They stayed with their aunt during my hospital stay so they were in familiar
place and comfortable. As soon as I was able to, I called them to let them know
I was okay.
Just because children are innocent little beings doesn't mean they don't know
or aren't capable of understanding a situation like surgery. As a child I always
knew when something was up with my parents. Even if they didn't want me to know.
I didn't like the fact that they thought I wouldn't know. Kids are alot smarter
than people give them credit for. I always try to keep my kids involved. Mine
know about me going thru the approval process and all the doc visits and
surgery. I think the choice is a personal one. That's just what I have done.
Take Care, Constance
kanapal12000 <kanapal12000@...
Hi All,
I have my surgery date!!! It's 11/18/03. So soon!
For those of you with small children, how did you explain to them
that you would be in the hospital for 5 days? What did you tell them
about why you are having surgery?
I have a 4 year old & an 18 month old. The older is extremely
attached to me and is smart enough to somewhat understand what's
going on. Any advice is greatly appreciated!
Alicia
288/270/160

HI.. I am 2 weeks post op and I am stuck in the weight loss . is it possible to
hit a platue this early out?? I am just before taking my scales and toughing
them out .. anyone with any suggestions please let me know
thanks,
Kerri k.
stuck

Thanks for your well wishes! I just woke up and have to run a couple of errands
before I leave for the hospital....I definetly look forward to posting that
indeed I am a loser!
Carol matar
Carol Matar

Had my appointment at the behavorial clinic. It wasn't anything like
I thought it would be. For 2 hours I listened to a boring doctor
practically read to us the handout she gave us. Only 2 of us showed
for the group meeting.....and she still had us write our names on a
sticker and put it on our chest. I figured I'd have to take that big
test everyone talks about and that it would be more intense then it
was. But I didn't even have to fill out any paperwork even tho they
told me to show 20 minutes prior just to do that. She even told me
she thought I was "mentally fit" to have the surgery so that's a good
thing. Tomorrow is my appointment for physical therepy and the other
woman in todays group said she went yesterday and that it was pretty
lame. They show you how to take your heart beat and suggested
exercises people with health problems can do.
I hope the rest of my wls journey is this easy.
~Tanja

In a message dated 10/30/2003 11:42:48 PM Central Standard Time,
tcpar2@... writes:
Carol,
Thoughts are with you Carol. Hurry and get back and send us your first losing
post. God Bless and Skinny Wishes!
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

Natasha, this may be redundant, but have you tried obesityhelp? It's a
good way to network with others in your area and exchange notes. Maybe
if there are several of you with the same losey follow-up, you can
"lobby" as a group for another surgeon to look after you and provide
direction.
Also, Obesity help has a great chat room with lots of long term posties
and even some dr. chat visits sometimes.
Good luck.
Marina (Los Angeles, Ca)
post-op 3/12/03

hi, thanks but i don't feel i'm losing enough - my own doing i'm sure - i'm
sticking to the eating program but i'm not exercising or getting enough
water in but i just got labs back and everything is good they said - only
thing out of wack was liver enzymes - i'll have to ask about that next week
when i see them - this week i added baked fish and chicken and did pretty
good with it - it felt good to eat an entree -- once though i ate to fast
and it got stuck and that was serious chest pain. it finally went down - TG.
but i know i'm losing inches b/c of my clothes -- i just didn't measure b4.
baton rouge is a little far for me.
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

Congratulations on the approval!! I'm sooooo happy for you! Keep us updated
when you get a date.
Chris
Southern California
LAP RNY 092303
<<Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:13:22 -0000
From: "Leslie" <leslieileen31@...
Subject: APPROVED!!!!
OMGosh,OMGosh!!!!!
I just heard from my Ins Co and I got APPROVED!!!!
Now I have to wait on the letter to be sent to my Dr. so they can
set a Date. ALl this worrying. I guess my persistance paid off.
I aggrevated them so much...called plus emailed just about everyday.
I am so ecstatic!!!
Thank You for being so supportive!!!
Now I just need a Date!!!
Leslie
Irvington AL
220/truely pre-op/120?

Who has had a body lift done? Thanks but don't need opinions here- just facts.
And... to those with body lift experience, what do you have to share on the
topic? Thanks.

---
Hi...they usually put a couple of pennies in your account. You can
check the amounts by calling the bank or using your on - line
banking system. Hope that helps.

I am glad you asked this question, cuz I was confused too...I was
thinking that my soup would be so much better in 15 minutes instead
of 45 minutes...I asked my nutritionist and she said this rule is for
people who are anywhere from 6-12 months post-ops...not new post-
ops...she said this could harm a new post-op...I don't know if this
is correct info from her, but it made sense to me the way she
explained it...and I definately wanted clarification on this issue...
~Hannah
open RNY
9/29/03
288/256

Hi Alicia,
You and I are scheduled to have our surgeries on the same day. I too
have small children (7 and 3). My 7 year old has a few years on your
4 year old, but he knows why I am going to be in the hospital. My
husband and I sat down and explained to him that mommy was going to
be away for a few days and that I was having surgery to help make me
healthier. My family have all attended my Dr. appts. with me and
even though my 7 yr. old was playing his Game Boy, he took in alot of
the conversations. Of course when it comes down to the risks, we
protect him from that becuz he is a little young to understand and we
don't want to scare him, but he is aware of why I am having surgery.
Now my 3 year old, it's all above her head. I'm sure she will miss
me, but as long as she can visit and have her favorite foods, life is
good for her! Such innocence!
I'd say honesty is a good policy, but keep it on a 4 yr. old level,
don't make it to wordy and let him/her know that this will make you a
healthier mommy that will be able to run, jump, play and do other
things related to your kids that you may not have been able to do at
your current weight.
Children can be amazing in what they can understand, don't
underestimate the power of little minds.
Are you having your surgery open or lap? Barring complications your
hospital stay should be less than 5 days. Remember this is coming
from a Pre-Op ;o)
Stephanie in MI
Pre-Op 11/18/03
236/?/?
Pre-Op

Hi All,
I have my surgery date!!! It's 11/18/03. So soon!
For those of you with small children, how did you explain to them
that you would be in the hospital for 5 days? What did you tell them
about why you are having surgery?
I have a 4 year old & an 18 month old. The older is extremely
attached to me and is smart enough to somewhat understand what's
going on. Any advice is greatly appreciated!
Alicia
288/270/160

thanx, bridget! send shannon some healing wishes from us.
lori h.

awesome news, leslie! see! you're truly blessed, all that worrying
for nuttin', tgoodness.
wtg for communicating w/ your hubb. it's funny how we spend so much
talking, communicating is another matter:-)
lori h.

I have had a paypal account for a couple years now and use it alot. They
deposit cents in your account, like 21 cents and 18 cents and then you verify
the
deposits and they activate you. i even use the debit card they issued me, well
I asked for the card and got it :)
HUGS, ROBIN, NY
Age- 41
TTC#4 -
OPEN RNY
10-18-02
378/246/170???
DR.EDWARD HIXSON
SARANAC LAKE, NY
Mom to:
Benjamin & Jonathan
7 1/2 year twin boys and
Madison age 4 1/2 yrs.
Miscarraige August 2001
Miscarraige August 2003
Married to Pup:
15 years this
Halloween : )

Has anyone set up an account with Paypal? Before I
can get fully registered it wants me to verify my bank
account information... it said that 2 deposits were
made, does anyone know how much those 2 deposits are?
I'd like to start using it and don't feel like waiting
for my next statement. Thanks to whomever replies.
~Mary
=====
"My wish isnt to be everything to everyone, but something to someone..."

Thanks to everybody who is answering my question. I'm getting some great
answers. Keep 'em coming. I'd love to hear from more people.
Linda

EXACTLY!!!!! WE ARE LUCKY PEOPLE CUZ THERE IS NO DOUBT WE ARE GOING
TO LOSE ALMOST OR ALL OF OUR WEIGHT. PERIOD!!!!
P.S. I'VE ENJOYED READING YOUR POSTS WOLFIE!!!

In a message dated 10/30/2003 1:04:59 PM Central Standard Time,
legalsec102@... writes:
CHILL!!! IT WILL ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN!!!!
COME ON FOLKS, LET'S STAY POSITIVE!!!!!
LoriB
Your right LoriB! I think I am gonna retire my scales , lol.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

I just had my one month appt too. I also had my surgery on Oct 3.
I have lost an even 20. I was VERY disappointed. She reassured me
that this is not a race and 20 pounds in a little over 3 weeks is a
VERY good weight loss. Can you imagine if we had done that much
with "diet and exercise"? We would've been excited. She also is
sending me back to work and she assured me that when I start working
again the loss will speed up. I have to be honest that I haven't
been exercising like I'm supposed to either. I might get a walk in
twice a week. So, the moral of the story is this is all normal.
She also told me there are two kinds of people: those who lose
quickly and then plateau and then there's us those who lose slowly
for the first few months and then lose like crazy. I'm just glad to
be on the losing side. The inches that are coming off are amazing
though aren't they? I guess we need to relax, kick up the exercise
and just enjoy the ride. Good luck to you.

In a message dated 10/30/2003 11:39:20 AM Central Standard Time,
leslieileen31@... writes:
I want to thank each and every one of you who was supportive for
me and gave me encouraging words...I love this group and the friends
that I have made over the last weeks......Again I cant thank You
enough...
HUGS......
Leslie
Leslie,
Being open and talking about things is always the very best policy. So
many people forget how to communicate anymore and problems and hurt feelings
begin to fester and soon reach a point of no return. You did good to talk about
it. Doors opened and calmly closed with a good resolve toward working through
things. Im happy for you.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

I was looking over the pouch rules for dummies and saw this. I know that alot
has been said about making the meals last up to thirty or forty five minutes
and I kept thinking well my gosh I must be eating to fast. And I just couldn't
understand this priniciple. So I read this, which I have heard is very
accurate, and wanted to put the excerpt regarding "time to eat" on the post
here. I
know I found it very interesting.
The patient must eat the entire meal in 5-15 minutes. A 30-45 minute meal
will cause failure.
4. No liquids for 1 ½ hours to 2 hours after each meal.
5. After 1 ½ to 2 hours, begin sipping water and over the next three hours
slowly increase water intake.
6. 3 hours after last meal, begin drinking LOTS of water/fluids.
7. 15 minutes before the next meal, drink as much as possible as fast as
possible. This is called "water loading," IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DRINKING OVER
THE LAST FEW HOURS, THIS 'WATER LOADING' WILL NOT WORK.
8. You can water load at any time 2-3 hours before your next meal if you get
hungry, which will cause a strong feeling of fullness.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

Hey everybody,
I just heard from Shannon. She had her surgery on Monday and she is
back home and doing great! She said she feels good except for a
headache. I know she's grateful to all of you for the support and
prayers:) This is a great group of people!
Thanks!!
Bridget

I just had my first month post-op appt with my PCP. I've lost 17
pounds since October 3. I'm not particularly thrilled with this
either, but look at our situation!!!! We are not able to eat more
than what, 300 - 500 calories a day? How can we possibly not lose
weight. So it's going a little slower than we want, but
there'absolutely no way we're not going to lose almost all of it
unless we are able to start shoving lots of sugar and carbs into us.
I think if we go a little slower we wont lose as much hair as other
people are as well!!! Plus, I know that I have lost a lot of inches
cuz I'm fitting into lots of 1x's already when I was just a 3x a
month ago. We also should not panic when we get to a plateau,
because while we may not be dropping pounds quickly, our bodies are
re-arranging themselves and we are losing inches during
this "plateau". Also, I've decided that I'm not weighing myself more
than once every few weeks or so.
CHILL!!! IT WILL ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN!!!!
COME ON FOLKS, LET'S STAY POSITIVE!!!!!
LoriB
Lap Rny 10/3/03
228/211/135

Hi Carol,
I wish you an uneventful surgery and a speedy recovery. My thoughts and
prayers are with you.
~Chris H
Marietta, GA
10/13/03
In a message dated 10/30/03 1:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carol@... writes:
Tomorrow is the big day....Dr. Naaman's office called this morning
and has moved my surgery earlier in the day tomorrow...12 noon
instead of 1:30 p.m. I am starting to feel nervous about
tomorrow...a little nauseous. Probably working late tonight to
finish some projects, but other than that...ready...except I do need
to pack my overnight...came to work today and my office had a huge
basket on my desk filled with magazines, games, DVDs, wash cloths,
hair clips, lotions, water and so much more....and then we had a
sidebar at the office and the President announced that I was going
out tomorrow, however, everyone pretty much knew...and they gave me a
round of applause...
Well, anyway...tomorrow I join the losing team and I can't wait!
See ya on the other side!
Carol Matar
Pre-Op 10/31/03
Dr. Adam Naaman
Memorial Hermann - Memorial City
12:00 p.m. - HIPAA No. 3296

Wanting to wish you a speedy recovery and cant wait to hear from you
again on the LOSING side....
Good Luck..Best wishes
Leslie

Tomorrow is the big day....Dr. Naaman's office called this morning
and has moved my surgery earlier in the day tomorrow...12 noon
instead of 1:30 p.m. I am starting to feel nervous about
tomorrow...a little nauseous. Probably working late tonight to
finish some projects, but other than that...ready...except I do need
to pack my overnight...came to work today and my office had a huge
basket on my desk filled with magazines, games, DVDs, wash cloths,
hair clips, lotions, water and so much more....and then we had a
sidebar at the office and the President announced that I was going
out tomorrow, however, everyone pretty much knew...and they gave me a
round of applause...
Well, anyway...tomorrow I join the losing team and I can't wait!
See ya on the other side!
Carol Matar
Pre-Op 10/31/03
Dr. Adam Naaman
Memorial Hermann - Memorial City
12:00 p.m. - HIPAA No. 3296

Hi all,
Well I called my mom yesturday and told her I was gonna have the
wls done. To my surprise she was excited for me...WOW.....
She asked when I was gonna have it I told her I didnt know yet that
I didnt have a date. She told me to let her know so we can go
shopping for things for the hospital stay...another WOW....
I told mom I didnt want to tell her or dad that I was wanting this
until after I got approved(b/c if I got denied what was the since in
tellin)b/c I didnt know how she was gonna react. She asked Y?
I said b/c you were never the one who was supportive with me all you
kept telling me is how big I was and that all I needed was a good
diet pill...she didnt say a word what could she say...I was telling
the truth...but after that she was ok...Im glad I finally told
her...she also wants to go with me to my next dr appt. to meet Dr
Dyas.........AND.........
I sat down with my hubby last night and had a very long heart to
heart talk about the wls. I asked him how did he fell that he wasnt
very nice to me earlier in the day. He said it was just a big shock
to him knowing it was finally going to happen and that he was kinda
scared. I asked him if it was going to make him feel any different
towards me? He asked how? I said I would be losin alot of weight
that I was finally going to be happy about myself...He said what
ever I wanted and If it was goin to make me feel better then yes he
will feel differently towards me...I asked him If he thought I
needed to have this done..he said that if it was going to prolong
health problems in the future and make me healthier that yes he with
me 100%...So I guess hes not an azzhole...to much.....lol
I want to thank each and every one of you who was supportive for
me and gave me encouraging words...I love this group and the friends
that I have made over the last weeks......Again I cant thank You
enough...
HUGS......
Leslie

Natasha
Where are you located? are there any support groups in your area?
at a local hospital? have you tried demanding from your Dr. what you
need? how about the hospital nutrisionist?
Good luck.

wtg jessica!!! 27 pre-op lbs gone, woohoo!
PS feel free to read the messages @ the group's website, that way you
don't have to worry about full inboxes & bouncing.
lori h.

dont forget any fruit juices are suppose to be cut 1/2 and 1/2 with water
because of the sugar content in juices..or that is what my surgeon says anyhow
Linda
LapRNY 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC
332/317/250/132

hi chris, thanx for sharing. hey i have a great dane, too! they say
that dogs & owners start to look the same, i guess, my dane also has
excess skin, hehe.
lori h.

you WILL prevail, my amiga!! no matter what, the victory is yours!
you have definitely come a long way, so proud & so happy to call you
my friend! ((steph))
lori h.
in miami, too

you must be able to see through it ...my surgeon told me i could have
nitrotech from gnc and he also allowed me to have the nectar protein drinks
because
they were made with water..some use the isopure from gnc as well..i have just
never tried them..i am STILL on clear liquids and YUCK i am sick of chicken
broth lol...clear means anything that is NOT milky....i have had wonton
soup(without the wontons), chicken broth, beef broth, popsicles, crystal lite,
decaff
tea(with spenda), nectar and nitrotech(for protein) and of course sugar free
jello...lots of jello....lol
Linda
LapRNY 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC
332/317/250/132

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acquaintances' screen names in place of "Slavemaster," so now versions are
circulating that warn netizens to be on the lookout for someone using the handle
"SweetCaliGuy4evr," "ooosparklesooo88," "Monkeyman935," or "Free_mumia911,"
screen names that have nothing to do with John Edward Robinson.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/slavemas.htm
Happy SAFE Halloween.
Sharon

Look in internet for article called "Pouch Rules for
Dummies" Excellent step by step advice, must
read!changed my life.
Cynthia

yep, clear liquids means being able to see through it - then full liquids
will add the stuff like cream of wheat and protein shakes.
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

Clear liquids is anything you can see through....no milk products. My doc did
say that I could try OJ, if I felt up to it, but I was afratd that it was to
acidic.....sherri

In a message dated 10/29/2003 10:26:37 PM Central Standard Time,
cheyanne1113@... writes:
Hi all!! For some reason I haven't recieved any messages from this

In a message dated 10/29/2003 8:25:12 PM Central Standard Time,
chris40dd@... writes:
Hi Family,
I have posted a preop pic to the photos section.
Chris H
Hi there Chris. Just saw your pic. I have a pomie also named Zeke. Pretty
Harlequin Dane ya got!
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

In a message dated 10/29/2003 7:05:34 PM Central Standard Time,
lbwales@... writes:
Does clear really mean-nothing with any lumps or bumps? Or is it literally
that you must be able to see through it?
I know with my doctor clear liquids were absolutely able to see through.
Water, apple juice, etc. And I did start my protein early Post-op.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

There are a TON of sugar alcohols that can cause gastric distress.
Pretty much anything that ends in "ol" can end in pain. Be careful
and just try a little bit to begin with.
DH and I have some assorted SF Hersheys that we bought at Costco.
We joke around that we're going to pass them out to all the BAD
neighborhood kids for Halloween! LOL!
Anyway, everybody's different. I haven't thrown the SF's out
because my dad and sister love them, and they can eat them just
fine. So, I keep them on hand for them to enjoy.
Gina in CA
LAP RNY 07-17-03
324/247.75/130?

Splenda and aspartame don't bother me, but most sugar alcohols do...especially
maltitol (or is it malitol?), which is pretty common in most SF goodies. I used
to keep trying them (pre-op) hoping that my body would just accept, and then I
had to give up...just wasn't worth it!
Gina in CA
LAP RNY 07-17-03
324/247.75/130?

I am really struggling with post op life.
My surgeons office has lousy follow up, but they were the only ones who would
take my insurance and I needed to have this surgery done. I have called other
places and they wont take me for follow up "due to malpractice" with me not
being their patient... I just feel lost and I am not sure how to create the
follow up I need.
Thanks for the tips so far.. I guess I am looking for a miricle.. and I need
to just get off my butt and make my own support group.
I just dont' know a lot of post op people....
Sorry to rant.
Natasha
lap rny 11/19/02
340/225.5/160

Hi all!! For some reason I haven't recieved any messages from this

HI
clear liquids mean apple juice and sugar free jello and popicles, yes you are
right anything you can basicaly see through. NO it does not mean lumpy soups
or any thick liquid. Right after surgery i was only allowed pops jello sugar
free of course clear broth soups i had chicken soups no chicken. i also
tried egg drop soup from the chineese resturant. i dont no if the drs approves
that but i had it and it stayed down well. You really have to try thinks that
work for you and some things did and some dont. Good luck to you and God
Bless
Maria
Lap RNY
300/277/150????
OCT 1, 2003

Finally finished a personal statement, cost analysis of ongoing
medical expenses, two Dr.'s letters of medical necessity, supporting
Dr's chart notes listing co-morbidities, other medical documentation
from two Dr.'s on medical problems related to obesity. Also enclosed
three photos. Here is hoping they determine in my favor and pay the
outstanding $8000.00 they have thus far refused to pay my surgeon. No
matter what 86 pounds lost, feeling and looking better. It has been
worth it even if I wind up paying this myself.Healthier, optomistic,
and smiling more. Stephanie

Sugar free popsicles, sugar free jello, and crystal light were all
considered to be clear liquids by my surgeon. Protein drinks were
absolutely required by my surgeon soon after surgery. I think within
the first week if I remember correctly.Stephanie

It truly depends on your doctor. Each surgeon/nutritionist is different.
Some doctors will let you have popsicles and jello, some won't. My
surgeon had us on nothing but broth, Gatorade, juice and water for the
first week--that was his clear liquid diet. After that we were allowed
to add creamed soups, and hot cereals. So it really depends on your
doc.....
Tanya T.
Lap RNY 6/20/03
432/326/170
Houston, Dr. Adam Naaman

Hi Family,
I have posted a preop pic to the photos section.
Chris H
Marietta, GA
10/13/03

For those of you that have gone through the surgery, or others "in the know", I
have a question.
What exactly do they mean by clear liquids. I know that it means "clear" as in
see-through, like broth. But I also have heard that you can have sugar-free
popsicles and jello and Crystal Lite, etc.
More precisely, I want to know if we are still allowed to have our protein
drinks in the early weeks after surgery.
Does clear really mean-nothing with any lumps or bumps? Or is it literally that
you must be able to see through it?
Thanks,
Linda

Ruth,
Oh what a tryump(sp?). You and so many others on here are such an
inspiration to me. Keep up the good work and keep the heads a
turning. Before long you will be a feather in the wind with all the
weight gone....Thank you so much!!!!
Leslie

Today is the anniversary of my sugery. I had an appointment today
with my surgeon, Dr. Bruce Thayer at Newtown Wellesley Hospital in
Newton MA. I have lost 72% of the weight that they suggested I lose
at my evaluation. He was so excited and pleased with my progress.
With every appointment, his nurse, whom is also his wife has been so
supportive and amazed at how much I have lost. She is so comforting
and reassuring. Always having something woderful to say to help with
the day to day issues that arise. They are both so wonderful, as is
alll their staff. The best part of the appointment today was that
they both gave me such a big hug, and told me that I should be so
proud of myself. What suprised me was that they bpth said at
different times, that they could tell I was beautiful before the
surgery, but they hadn't realized how beautiful a woman I was.
Usually, we would think this would not be considered a comment we
would get from our Dr, but it was said and meant from the heart, and
also said because of the issues I am having with dealing with
hearing this from people who dont know me. They know me, and have
been there when ever I have need to talk or had a problem, they have
seen my transformation and have not recognized me on a few
appointments because so much time has past. This is a good feeling
to know that they actually care. I was impressed with Dr Thayer the
day before my surgery a year ago when he called himself to check to
see if i was ready and doing ok. This man has been a god send to me
and my family.
Oh what a year, I have gone form a 386 pound size 30+ to a woman who
now weighs 199 pounds wearing any where from a size 16 to a size 12
depending on the maker ( actually get to find a 10 every now and
then that fits ;) ) I find I am not a angry as I used to be. My
temper used to run very short, I would explode at the drop of a pin.
I have gone from feeling lousy every day to feeling as if I have so
much energy that I myself cant believe it. I had severe sleep apena
and narcolepsy, both of which I no longer have. My Cholesterol was
196 with trigylcerides of 36, today its 176 with tri's of 96 so much
better than before. I have discovered that I do have a small leak in
one of my heart valves, that if I hadn't lost the weight could have
been a major issue, now it is not as life threating but needs to be
watched. I have gone from a BMI of 62 to a BMI of 32 WOW WHAT A YEAR!
I have so much to look forward to and so much to be thankful for. I
have a new outlook on life and have loved everyminute of the
transformation in my physical being. Now I just have to learn how to
deal with the reality of it all :) There is much I still need to
work on, mostly dealing with the anger and resentment for those who
never noticed me before and now seem to want to give me attention.
This is life and reality of how society looks at people. I am
learning to say thank you with a smile and walk away. I know that
when people are saying " nice" things to me they are doing it
because it is meant, I have to learn how to take the compliments as
they are meant and not resent them. This is something I am sure will
come over time, and isnt an every day feeling, but they are my
feelings. Mostly because I knew that when I was heavier, I was
shunned and pushed aside for so many things.
I am rambling and thinking I am not making any sense, so I will stop
here and just say thank you for having this group here .. :: hugs::
Ruth
Postop Open RNY
Oct 29, 2002
386/199/???
MA
Dr Bruce Thayer

Don't let your husband's asinine attitude stop you from having surgery. The
only reason you shouldn't have surgery would be because YOU don't want to
have it. Not because of ANY outside influence. If you feel it is right for
you, then GO FOR IT! Have you asked him why he wasn't as thrilled as you
are? Maybe he had a bad day at work, or maybe he's worried about side
effects. If he has been supportive up until now, I think there must be
something else going on. Hugsssssssss
Shannon in Indiana

In a message dated 10/29/2003 11:38:39 AM Central Standard Time,
leslieileen31@... writes:
Hi all I know I just wrote telling everyone how exicted I was about
getting approved.
But now I dont know if I even want to have it done. My hubby just
come in from work(half days on Wed.) and I was so happy. I told him
and he acted like he didnt even care.The one person who has been
supportive and wanted this for me as much as I do.
It made me feel like s**t. I dont know what to do. I dont want to
tell my mom right now b/c I dont have a date yet. But I know that
she is gonna act the same way. As I have expressed before.
I am so glad I found this group. B/c you dont judge people for
what they are wanting or willing to do to make their lives happy and
healthy again. Thank you all so very much for listening when someone
needs to get things off thier chest and for giving positive talk
back to them when they really need it.
Thank you so much for listening to me blubber and pore(sp?) my
feelings into this group...I Love you all
Leslie
Dear Leslie,
No matter what the people around you say or don't say...YOU HAVE TO
DECIDE FOR YOURSELF...and your health is the biggest reason and then of course
being thinner is the second. Or so it was for me. I never had one negative
response. I was fortunate but even if I had I would not have let my decision be
altered by anyone. I won't empower anyone to have that much control over me. I
just tell them to get over it or not makes no difference to me...that I am gonna
do what I have to do and it is not open for discussion with the "Panel of
Negativity Brigade"
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

In a message dated 10/29/2003 1:01:01 PM Central Standard Time,
lbwales@... writes:
Hannah,
Yes, both sorbitol and mannitol can cause diarrhea and cramping. But not in
all people. Also, a lot of people are very touchy about their children
consuming these items. They are actually stool softeners if I am correct.
Linda
This is so true about them being stool softeners. How well I know, lol.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

Your letter was outstanding you spoke from the heart ! Your blessed with a
wonderful husband and a father who loves you . Tell me how much do you weigh
and how tall are you ? Your so young that is a big plus. I understood your
emotions and frustrations I have had them many times. For me on a personal
note this is the Best thing I have ever done. I now in control my weight it
does not control me.
And Guess what Jenn everything fits !!!! God Bless I am here if you need me.
Robin O -Calif
211-133-???
Dec 5 2002

Thanks Deb, I appreciated the "mess up". I'm glad that it ended up
in your message to me or I may not have ever received the inspiration
that I got from it.
Stephanie in MI
Pre-Op 11/18/03
236/?/?

Thanks Deb,
My surgeon is a true stickler with weight gain or lack of weight loss
before surgery, I got a message from someone that has the same
surgeon that I do and their surgery was cancelled because they failed
to lose the 15 lbs. that the surgeon told them to lose. I knew they
were real sticklers and I think that is why I freaked out yesterday,
but you were right it worked out all right today and I go in for my
final weigh-in on 11/12/03, I will be working very hard to keep my
scale moving down between now and then so that I will not be in the
same predicament as yesterday.
Thanks for your encouragement and the letter you wrote to (Charlotte)
was very inspirational.
Thank you,
Stephanie in MI
Pre-Op 11/18/03
236/?/?

Thanks Dawn,
I have been working really hard, and I know that this is only the
beginning. Thanks for the great suggestions, I sat down and wrote
down what I had eaten for the past few days and pulled out my
exercise diary to take with me. Fortunately it never came down to me
proving myself, but I was prepared because of your great
suggestions. Since my surgery is a few weeks away, I go in for a
final weigh-in on 11/12/03, I will take note of salt contents and
will begin writing down what I eat daily. I don't plan to be in this
position at my next visit!!
Thank you again for your support, I'm so happy that there is a place
that I can go to share with others that understand!
Thank you,
Stephanie in MI
pre-Op 11/18/03
236/?/?

Thanks Constance,
That is so true, it does take alot more effort to be positive. After
reading everyones supportive messages, I got myself together, re-
organized my thoughts and told myself that everything would work out.
Thank you for your support!
I have my surgery on 11/18/03 and go in for my final weigh-in on
11/12/03. I will be in high gear until then so that I won't have
another day like yesterday!
Thanks,
Stephanie in MI
Pre-OP 11/18/03
236/?/?

Hi!
I just wanted to let everyone know that there is a new support group
starting up at Providence Hospital in Mobile, AL. Anyone interested
in attending please feel free to email me at aslimchance@...
Thanks for your time,
Angela Williams
www.geocities.com/sugarbritchez
-96lbs in 13 weeks!!!!

Hannah,
Yes, both sorbitol and mannitol can cause diarrhea and cramping. But not in all
people. Also, a lot of people are very touchy about their children consuming
these items. They are actually stool softeners if I am correct.
Linda

Congratulations, Leslie!! That's great news! You'll be a loser
before you know it!
Jamie
Open RNY 10/13/03
303/280/???

SO VERY HAPPY FOR YOU WE WEIGH THE SAME AND HAVE SAME GOAL I DONT HAVE A
DATE YET BUT HOPE BEFORE THE NEW YEAR
THINK THIN
NOLA
220PREOP 110 GOAL WT.

((leslie)) your hubb may be having hesitations now that you have your
approval (& congrats btw). now that it's a reality, he surely has a
ton of mixed emotions. my hubb did NOT want me to have surg, it took
work for me to persuade him & it's not his style to stand in the way
of my dreams & aspirations. surg is the unknown & it's human nature
to fear uncertainty. time to have a heart to heart, describe what
it's like to live an MO existence & the freedom that surg entails.
hope he comes around, betcha he will.
lori h.

OMGosh,OMGosh!!!!!
I just heard from my Ins Co and I got APPROVED!!!!
Now I have to wait on the letter to be sent to my Dr. so they can
set a Date. ALl this worrying. I guess my persistance paid off.
I aggrevated them so much...called plus emailed just about everyday.
I am so ecstatic!!!
Thank You for being so supportive!!!
Now I just need a Date!!!
Leslie
Irvington AL
220/truely pre-op/120?

Hi all I know I just wrote telling everyone how exicted I was about
getting approved.
But now I dont know if I even want to have it done. My hubby just
come in from work(half days on Wed.) and I was so happy. I told him
and he acted like he didnt even care.The one person who has been
supportive and wanted this for me as much as I do.
It made me feel like s**t. I dont know what to do. I dont want to
tell my mom right now b/c I dont have a date yet. But I know that
she is gonna act the same way. As I have expressed before.
I am so glad I found this group. B/c you dont judge people for
what they are wanting or willing to do to make their lives happy and
healthy again. Thank you all so very much for listening when someone
needs to get things off thier chest and for giving positive talk
back to them when they really need it.
Thank you so much for listening to me blubber and pore(sp?) my
feelings into this group...I Love you all
Leslie

Dear Pat,
Even as we speak, we are planning a get together in northern Jersey, most
likely in Chester. Wanna join us? I can let you know when we have a date
and location...
I also have a very good friend who lives in North Bergen if you'd like to
meet her. (She'll be at the gathering in Chester, I'm sure). I don't think
she's as far north as you, but she's closer to you than I am and she's a lot
of fun.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie, Ilene, Roy, and Ro

thanks :)

Dear Jenn and Steph,
I can't believe that I posted to Jenn that I didn't want to put my whole
story up again and I would post it privately to her, and then in my next
e-mail to Steph, there it is! I had cut and paste it into my private e-mail
to Jenn and then forgot it was part of my signature to Steph. Boy do I feel
dumb...
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie, Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Any old timers? I am 23 years post op, trying to
relearn pouch rules also took cottage cheese test need
feedback!!!
Cynthia Houston, Texas

Marina, You look marh-ve-lous!

In a message dated 10/28/2003 7:56:59 PM Central Standard Time,
ilarok4enigma@... writes:
My surgery is on Tuesday at the Cleveland Clinic. I was feeling like
I was going to get a cold but start taking zinc and vitamin c and I'm
feeling better.
I'm excited but at the same time scare. Maybe is normal but I'm
having even nightmares about the surgery.
Corey
Corey if you weren't scared you wouldn't be doing what 99% of us did before
surgery. You are reacting just like you should. Your normal. Congratulations on
your date!!!!!
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

In a message dated 10/28/2003 5:49:37 PM Central Standard Time,
candiread@... writes:
I use Splenda products and Sweet and Low. I have never had a problem with
either.
Candi
Me either Candi.
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
336/287/200

If anyone is interested, I posted pictures of my mid-section which
shows five of my six Lap RNY scars. Although you cannot tell from
the picture, the scars are still slightly raised. We (Dr. and I)
can't tell yet what the scars will look like after about 18mo, but
he say's that about the total healing time.
Marina (Los Angeles, CA)
post-op 3/12/03

I have not had surgery yet but anything with sorbitol causes the "runs"
Pat

Jenn - I can totally relate. I wanted to be free of my size and I also
wanted to be free of my compulsive eating. I have coma a long way in both and
I
am happy with my decision.
-- jody
lap Fobi Pouch in Mexico
7/4/03
217/173/?

Being that the holidays are right around the corner, I agreed last
Thanksgiving to be the host...no big deal...I have been doing a lot
of research about sugar-free and fat-free food recipes and even some
for desserts, I was wondering if anyone has tried things like Pumpkin
Pie made with Splenda or Candied Yams made with Sweet N' Low...Sugar
Free Apple Pie(just to name a few of the desserts)which are my main
concern...I know that I won't be able to eat much of anything(had
surgery on 9/29/03), but am really curious if I can pull one over on
my family, if they will notice the difference without sugar... ;0)I
would appreciate any responses...thanks...and also I was told by my
DR. that things with "sorbitol" can cause cramping and diarhea, but
have noticed that a lot of sugar free and no sugar added foods(I have
stayed away from them) contain sorbitol, has anyone else heard of
this reaction or had any reactions?
Thanks
Hannah

Ann
I'd maybe make another trip to your dentist. Sometimes they can't tell
if something is wrong unless the evidence is right in front of them
(like looking at the growth itself). That's how I found it. I'm not
saying that that's what it is, but just something to think about...
Tanya T.
Lap RNY 6/20/03
432/326/170
Houston, Dr. Adam Naaman

My surgery is on Tuesday at the Cleveland Clinic. I was feeling like
I was going to get a cold but start taking zinc and vitamin c and I'm
feeling better.
I'm excited but at the same time scare. Maybe is normal but I'm
having even nightmares about the surgery.
Corey

Tanya, interesting. Yes, the weird thing is directly on my gum- above a tooth. I
went to the dentist about a month ago. He didn't mention a bad tooth there.
Haven't had any tooth discomfort there. I can feel it coming back from where I
popped it. NEVER had such a weird thing. Looks like next week I'll have to visit
GP. I'll let you know.

I use Splenda products and Sweet and Low. I have never had a problem with
either.
Candi

Thanks for the info Robin!
Candi

Was this someone's doctor?
Candi

I was reading a post where someone recommended going to the group prior to
surgery. I have found that the fellowship even after surgery is amazing. I have
made so many new friends. And your right so much is learned prior to surgery
and the wonderful thing is you learn something with each and every meeting you
attend. I am two months post op now and I enjoy going to them even more now.I
guess it is because I now know the "feelings" associated with the comments
spoken. But the prior meetings prepared me for the "feelings" I now have. Every
pre-op meeting was great and there is just something about that true feeling
of sharing a common interest with everyone once you have moved into the losing
side. And being at the meetings to answer the questions that the pre-ops have
gives a good feeling knowing that your experience and the experiences of
others is to help. To every caring heart out there...God Bless!
Wolfie
"Keep Em Laughing"
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY /And choly
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336

Thursday is my appointment and I'm getting kinda nervous. I've never
talked to a psychiatrist(?sp?) before. What makes it even more
nervewracking is they told me to come 40 minutes early to fill out
paperwork. What type of paperwork takes 40 minutes to fill out??
They wern't all that forthcoming with information. I'm just afraid
he's going to ask questions I don't want to answer.
~Tanja

Hi Tanja,
When I went for my Psych. eval I had to show up 20 mins early to
fill out paperwork which turned out to be reg.stuff;ins,heath back
ground,normal stuff.
I was there for about 45 min. First I went in and talked to the
Psychologist, he asked about my family, Why I wanted to have this
done. Do I understand the aspects of the procedure. And the after I
talked to him I had to do the dreaded 400? questionaire. Which asked
a bunch of "stupid" questions. After that he told me things went
well and that he would send the ok of approval to my Surgeon.
Things will go great its not as bad as what think it will be.
Just Hope you dont have to do the questionare. But all Drs are
Different.
Good Luck....Keep us posted
Leslie
Irvington AL
Dr Dyas
220/pre-op/120?
still waiting

Dear Jenn,
I'm sitting here, in my home in New Jersey, not knowing where you are, but
nodding in agreement. I will send you privately my personal story of why I
had this surgery (I've already posted it on this board and don't want to
bore anybody that's seen it already). Just know that there's a lot of us
out here who do understand. I LOVED the first time I could slip on my
husband's XL sweatshirt (down from a 6XL)...
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie, Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Dear Steph,
Look at it this way... at least you didn't gain any. I gained 8 lbs. from
consult to surgery date and I didn't get cancelled. If they mention that
you didn't 'lose enough' make them understand that you have (according to
your home scale) lost X lbs. since you were there and at least you didn't
gain any. Maybe it won't even be an issue and you're stressing for nothing
(I hope).
I wrote this in response to a woman who was nervous about having to count
protein grams and fluid ounces and never having a Hershey bar again.
Dear Charlotte,
Being nervous about this surgery is so normal. You've been reading and
researching and know that this surgery is life altering. I know, for me, I
was a nervous wreck, but I KNEW without a doubt that this surgery would save
my life. Yes, people think about backing out when they realize what is
involved, but you have to look at your life and health as it is now and as
it can be later. Then you have to make a decision about whether or not you
can commit yourself to the lifestyle. I would say that you should not
cancel your appointment. This is the opportunity for you to get all of your
questions answered from a medical perspective. Find out what are the risks,
what are the benefits, etc. (I walked into my surgeon's office with a list
of 65 questions... longest list he's had so far. He LOVED it.)
I have thrown up 6 times in 10 months. Some people throw up for a variety
of reasons. I know that I throw up ONLY when I eat too much or too fast.
It's your body's way of slowing you down. The thing you need to know is
that throwing up as a post-op is completely different than pre-op. We have
no more stomach acid (which is what makes vomiting so awful). If I take one
bite too much, it's THAT bite that comes back at me and moments afterward I
feel fine again. If you're gonna play around and test your limits by eating
too many carbs or too much sugar, then you're in for a different thing
(dumping), but as for throwing up, I don't find it traumatic at all (I used
to... I was terrorized of throwing up).
Yes, you will (at least I did) become obsessed with counting ounces of fluid
and grams of protein. This surgery is not to be taken lightly. It's not a
magic bullet that you have and you wake up thin. A huge part of your
success will be determined by you. If you decide to do this, you will be
altering your body in such a way that if you are not diligent about getting
in your fluids and protein, you can and will get dehydrated or malnourished,
neither one of which is fun. You also have to be serious about your
follow-up. You have to commit yourself to a vitamin/supplement plan so that
your body is getting the things it needs. If you become deficient in b-12,
for example, you can cause irreversible neurological problems. You have to
follow-up with your doctor for blood tests every 3 months the first year,
and every six months after that so ensure that you are absorbing the
vitamins and supplements necessary to maintain your health.
You are worried about tasting a Hershey bar again. That's a choice you'll
have to make. I found out by trying something that I don't dump from sugar.
I can have all the Hershey bars I want. But if I'm gonna go that route, I'm
gonna stall my weight loss and possibly cause a weight gain. Why would I
want to do that to myself? There are many other things out there that I can
satisfy my chocolate craving with. And, worst case scenario, now if I
absolutely HAVE TO HAVE that Hersheys, it's a bite and not the 1/2 lb. bar
that I used to eat 2 or 3 of at a time. That one bite satisfies me. (I had
a bite of one 3 months ago and have not looked for another one since.
It is such an incredible and rewarding feeling to know that I'm doing
something like this for myself for the first time in my life. I'm so worth
it. And honestly, once you get into the swing of things, it becomes second
nature to you. I don't sit and count the sips of fluids to see how much
I've gotten in. I set up my fluids for the day in the morning and by the
nighttime I know exactly how much I have to drink in order to meet my goal,
but it's usually met by 3 pm and I'm in fluid overdrive after that. It's no
big deal. I like the protein shakes but I don't do them EVERY day. For the
most part, I'm usually able to get my protein in through food, but when I
want to crank up my numbers I'll do a shake also.
As far as the pain goes, what is your pain tolerance like? I have a high
pain tolerance and was off the pain meds my first day in the hospital. I
was given Tylenol with codeine to go home with and I filled the prescription
when I got home (the ride home was uncomfortable) but I never used it.
I have a piece of fruit almost every day and I have veggies whenever I want
them. I just make sure that I've eaten my fill of protein first. I make
sure I get enough in. Then I'll wait a little while to give myself some
room and I'll have veggies next and fruit last. You don't realize it as a
pre-op, but your whole perspective changes and you begin to get very
selective about what you're eating. For me (and I know this is not true for
everyone, but it is for me) I want the best protein I can get because I want
to have room for other things as well, so I won't eat things that fill me if
they're low in protein. I usually can get between 20 and 30 grams at one
sitting, so I'm doing well in that area (I eat 3 times per day, usually no
snacking). I do not feel deprived about anything.
I think the majority of us feel, in the first few days following surgery,
"Oh my G-d, what DID I do to myself?" It's very hard waking up, looking the
same (I expected to be thin overnight!) and only able to live on liquids for
a time. It's a shock to your system because of how long food has run your
life. It's just part of the process. For the most part, we do well after
the surgery and the beginning days become a blur. It just becomes natural,
like putting on your socks and shoes. In the beginning I was desperate to
"get it right" and I would fixate on how much I was drinking and how much
protein I was getting in. Now it's just natural for me. I share a meal
with my daughter and there's leftovers. It's really a hoot.
Yes, you are correct. This is for the rest of your life and there is no
going back after it's done. But as I said before, weigh out your life as it
is now. For me, I was 386 lbs., on 27 medications daily, taking 50 units of
insulin 2xs per day, unable to walk more than a few feet and literally
dragging myself everywhere. I suffered from hypertension, high cholesterol,
neuropathy, GERD, diabetes, diabetic retinopathy, I'm an amputee and I
couldn't get my leg on myself. My kidney function was down to 65%.
Post-surgery, My hypertension, neuropathy, GERD and diabetes are GONE. My
vision went from 20/10 all my life to 50/475 with the retinopathy. On my
last visit to the eye doctor, my vision has returned to 20/20. My kidney
function is perfect. I had been taking 2800 mg. of neurontin for my
neuropathy. I don't take anything and the neuropathy is not noticeable
anymore. I am completely off meds for hypertension and diabetes. My
cholesterol is in normal range. I am able to walk (albeit limited due to my
prosthetic, but I'm able to walk for longer and longer on a daily basis). I
take six pills per day down from 27. I am able to get my leg on myself and
I find there's not enough time in the day to live my life. I think the
trade off of giving up the Hershey bar was well worth it. (Being very
sincere when I say this because, as I said, I used to eat 2-3 of the big
bars in one sitting).
I will be 50 on my next birthday and I feel like I'm first learning to live
life now. I'm looking very forward to the best of the rest of my life.
Your letter is not depressing to me. It's the wonderings of a woman who is
deciding on a plan that will radically change the rest of your life. It's
certainly not to be entered into lightly. Just keep researching and
learning until you feel comfortable in your own skin. No one can make this
decision for you, nor would they want to. Have the surgery, or don't, but
know that you did your best to make an educated decision for yourself that
was not based on fear of counting grams of protein, ounces of fluids or
giving up Hershey bars.
I wish you loads of luck in your decision making process. Sorry this was so
long, but you had so much to say that I related too... be well.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/237/160?
BMI 60/35/24?
-149
-69.5"
Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy
(7/29/03) and Ro

Jamie,
Congratulations, That's gotta feel great.Constance
Jamie <jncaples@...
I went in for my check up today and I'm officially down 23 lbs!! I
was so excited.
I still haven't had that hungry or full feeling yet. Everyone's
telling me that's normal, though.
I have to go to my night class now, I just had to share my good news!!
Jamie
Open RNY 10/13/03

Hi Angela,
I live in Irvington just about 10 miles outside of Mobile. Who is your
doctor. Mine is Dr. Steve Weinstein. You are doing fantastic, losing 96#
pounds
in just 13 weeks. I have only lost 94# in 7 months, but I can't be active, I
am in a wheelchair. It is getting much better. I can stand up a little longer
at a time now. I was born and raised in Mobile. Glad to see someone from
the area on here.
Mary A. B.
LAP RNY 3/22/03
Dr. Steve Weinstein, MD.
Mobile, Alabama
BMI 65/48
386/292- 94LBS.
59 years old

StephanieC.,
This may sound really simplistic but it may help you. I have had to do this
myself for sometime. When I get down, like I have been lately, it really helps
to MAKE myself think positive. It's so easy to worry, be depressed and anxious
etc. It's alot harder to be positive sometimes. I keep telling myself that
things will go the way I want them to. Like I said simplistic but it helps me.
Constance
"Stephanie C." <kjsdcarter@...
Hi everyone, (WARNING! may be long)
I have my final appt. with my surgeon tmw.. I get my final weigh-in
for his approval.
I have been trying to lose some weight since first meeting with him a
few weeks ago. I was not given a specific amount of weight to lose,
but had hoped to lose at least 5 to 10 lbs. According to my home
scale as of last week I had lost 6 lbs., then I went in for my
medical clearance this past Friday and according to their scale I had
not lost anything. To top this all off my home scale has crept back
up 4 lbs. over this weekend. I have not changed my eating habits and
gave up pop, candy and all of my favorite unhealthy junk foods weeks
ago in favor of sugar free jello, sugar free ice cream, lactaid milk,
cream of wheat, sugar free gum, crystal light, sugar free tang and
the biggest of all WATER! I have been getting on the treadmill,
twice daily for 15 - 20 mins. each and tried to do some aerobics
until I had a sharp pain in my knee that made me realize that
aerobics may be something I can look into afterlosing some of this
weight.
I'm afraid to go to Dr. tmw and be told that he will not perform the
surgery. I exercised three times yesterday and feel like I should
fast or something to get my scale to move back down. I'm nervous,
anxious and starting to feel panicked. I've done so much to see this
happen and now I'm scared to see it taken away. UUgggghhhh!!!! I
hate these scales, they have so much power, more power than I think
they were ever intended to have. Through the years my scale has had
the power to make me happy, sad, depressed, disappointed, triumphant
and worst of all defeated.
I switched surgeons because I felt that my new surgeons program
offered more for the success of the patient, but I also know what
sticklers they are with the weight. Now I'm afraid that I may have
shot myself in the foot, thinking that I was doing something that
would be more beneficial to me in the end.
I don't know what to do and instead of looking forward to tmw. as I
thought I would, I am dreading tmw. because I am afraid of the
outcome. I don't know what else to do and just needed to vent and
share my panic, with others that may understand.
Thanks for listening (reading),
Stephanie in MI
Pre-Op
236/?/?

Note: forwarded message attached.
LIZA

Hi everyone, (WARNING! may be long)
I have my final appt. with my surgeon tmw.. I get my final weigh-in
for his approval.
I have been trying to lose some weight since first meeting with him a
few weeks ago. I was not given a specific amount of weight to lose,
but had hoped to lose at least 5 to 10 lbs. According to my home
scale as of last week I had lost 6 lbs., then I went in for my
medical clearance this past Friday and according to their scale I had
not lost anything. To top this all off my home scale has crept back
up 4 lbs. over this weekend. I have not changed my eating habits and
gave up pop, candy and all of my favorite unhealthy junk foods weeks
ago in favor of sugar free jello, sugar free ice cream, lactaid milk,
cream of wheat, sugar free gum, crystal light, sugar free tang and
the biggest of all WATER! I have been getting on the treadmill,
twice daily for 15 - 20 mins. each and tried to do some aerobics
until I had a sharp pain in my knee that made me realize that
aerobics may be something I can look into afterlosing some of this
weight.
I'm afraid to go to Dr. tmw and be told that he will not perform the
surgery. I exercised three times yesterday and feel like I should
fast or something to get my scale to move back down. I'm nervous,
anxious and starting to feel panicked. I've done so much to see this
happen and now I'm scared to see it taken away. UUgggghhhh!!!! I
hate these scales, they have so much power, more power than I think
they were ever intended to have. Through the years my scale has had
the power to make me happy, sad, depressed, disappointed, triumphant
and worst of all defeated.
I switched surgeons because I felt that my new surgeons program
offered more for the success of the patient, but I also know what
sticklers they are with the weight. Now I'm afraid that I may have
shot myself in the foot, thinking that I was doing something that
would be more beneficial to me in the end.
I don't know what to do and instead of looking forward to tmw. as I
thought I would, I am dreading tmw. because I am afraid of the
outcome. I don't know what else to do and just needed to vent and
share my panic, with others that may understand.
Thanks for listening (reading),
Stephanie in MI
Pre-Op
236/?/?

Dear Pat,
I'm central Jersey (Monmouth county), but I have many friends up North
who've had the surgery. Who's your surgeon and when's your surgery (if you
haven't had it already)? I belong to two local groups in New Brunswick and
we have awesome support. Get in touch.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie, Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Marion Andrew Sapala, M.D.
Passed Away: 10/25/03
Publication Date: 10/28/03
Marion Andrew Sapala, M.D., a retired general surgeon who practiced in both
Detroit and Albion, died Saturday, October 25, 2003 following a short illness.
He was 88.
Dr. Sapala was a graduate of Detroit Northeastern High School, attended
undergraduate school at Wayne University and subsequently earned an M. D. degree
from the Detroit College of Medicine in 1940. That same year he married Juanita
Elizabeth Brinkman, a special education teacher from Chicago.
After 2 years of surgical residency at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit he
entered the Army Air Corps and became a flight surgeon for a photo
reconnaissance
team during the liberation of Italy in World War II.
Following completion of his surgical training he joined the staff of Hutzel
Hospital in 1949 and remained there until 1979 when he was appointed Assistant
Clinical Professor of Surgery.
Dr. Sapala, at age 65, joined his son