Gastric Bypass

Hi Chris Tell them maybe you'll be surprised on how much support
you'll have from them to.I was the same way but I called them and
told them.They were all surprised but now happy mostly after the
they seen me after the surgery and down 64 lbs in less then two
months.So it wouldn't hurt to talk and see what they say.I wish you
the best keep informed on how it's going.a friend debkroll of
iowa.379/315/175.

Chris,
I think everyone has difficulty telling their families. I also know that
there are loads of people out there whose families haven't been
supportive or want them to have the surgery. The decision to tell your
family is up to you and it is one that shouldn't be taken lightly. The
major things to think about are probably, How does your family react to
your weight--do they make fun of you, ignore it or always try to get you
to go on one diet after another? My family didn't ignore it or make fun
of me, but they were always suggesting diets to try. [Try to explaining
to a woman who weighs about 98 lbs. sopping wet (my sister, even after 4
children) that you've tried all the diets in the world and nothing
works! ]Another question, is anyone else in your family overweight or
obese? Sometimes, if there is more than one person who has a weight
problem, it is easier to tell them your decision. Sometimes though it
isn't. That other person may be jealous that you decided to take your
life into your own hands. It depends on your family. You know your
family better than anyone else. Do you think they will be supportive of
you or do you think they will think you are taking the easy way out? I
was one of the lucky ones who had my family behind me 100%. The never
tried to talk me out of it or suggest other things to try first and they
are really pleased that is worked for me. The decision to tell your
family is up to you....I know it's difficult but they are your family
after all.
I'm sorry if this doesn't help but it's the only advice I can
give.....hope you get through this --with the support of your entire
family. Good luck to you in your journey!
Tanya T.
Lap RNY 6/20/03
432/336/170
Houston, Dr. Adam Naaman

I was just wondering if anyone else out there has had trouble
discussing this surgery with their family. I am scheduled for
surgery on November 12, and I have not told anyone in my family
(sisters, brother, mom, etc.) My husband is very supportive of me
but I just wonder if anyone else is in this type of situation. I
have an 18 year old niece who is going to be helping me out after the
surgery and she is the only other person in my family to know.
What should I do?
Thanks for you help
Chris
RNY prepop 11/12/03
(not yet approved by insurance though)

Go Vickie, Go Vickie!!!!! I am sooo happy for you. I don't think I have seen
that number since JR. High! I just can't wait 'til I have my surgery and see
that number again!! I am very proud of you, YOU GO GURL!!!!!
Jessica in Mi
324/Pre-op

Vickie,
What a great job!!! And here I thought my news was exciting...I can't
wait until I'm under 200!
My news: got on the scale this morning (yes ...I was FORCED to buy a
scale by my uncle....no, I have not given into temptation to weigh
myself every day but am limiting it to once a week) I am now at 332.
That is exactly 100 lbs GONE FOREVER! I am really excited!!!
Anyway, great job Vickie! I look forward to that day! Keep up the good
work!
Tanya T.
Lap RNY 6/20/03
432/ 332/ 170
Houston, Dr. Adam Naaman

I have not had my bypass yet but I know where you can find what you
want to know about splenda. Go to www.splenda.com they are great and
have the information you need to know. Just wish they were selling it
here in Holland ....;-(
V

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! The ginger tea is wonderful! The only surgery I've
ever had in my life (so far LOL) is a c-section. The next morning
the nurse brought me some ginger tea, and I told her I don't like tea
and she said "you'll like this tea and it helps with the gas", so I
tried it, and I loved it! It also made me feel A LOT better. So I
asked her how to make it and all it is, is pour some ginger ale in
the tea and add sweatener too if you want. I still drink it once in
a while if I'm not feeling well. Maybe you'd want to use diet ginger
ale and Splenda, and let the ginger ale go a little flat. But I'm
sure it will help! And don't worry to much about how you are
feeling, my coworker who had open RNY said it took a couple of months
before she really felt good, so hang in there!!!! Better days are
ahead!
Carol in Miami

In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:22:06 PM Central Standard Time,
milkinmycoffee1953@... writes:

hey chris,
did you have the lap or incisional? they probably both itch but i had 7 lap
sites with 2 bad ones - mine we getting painful (sore) and itching so being
RN i took my tweezer and took off what looked like scabs and it was the
corner of a stitch that was supposed to be inside so when i found that out i
went to town clipping those stitches but the stitch was on the inside - i
had to pull stitches out of all of them and after that they weren't sore and
now i'm healing good
i too walk around everywhere scratching my belly and if we are with some ppl
talking is when its the worst of course so i usually tell them the problem
Tanya
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www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
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Thank you so much Deb.
You message really inspires me. I will try the "protien feast" , hadn't
thought of that, but it makes sense. Thank you. I will keep you in mind when I
need someone tohelp me.
Thanks again.
Do you still find OA helpful? I was thinking of going.. it would be my first
time...
Natasha
lap rny 11/19/02
340/225/160
In a message dated 10/17/03 2:33:40 PM, zoes.mom@... writes:
<< (Can you tell I was a long-term member of
overeaters anonymous?)
If you can't get into a local thing that suits your needs, keep checking out
the webgroups until you find your comfort level where you feel you can speak
freely and get the help you need.
You may also do well in turning off the cravings if you can just to a
"protein feast" for a few (3) days. It will get the carb cravings out of
your system and give your metabolism a boost. Once things start moving for
you again, a boost in your feelings about what you're doing may give you the
strength to stop the emotional eating.
If I can be of any assistance, in any way, don't hesitate to contact me
either through the group or personally. My best wishes to you for success.

Thanks Dawn LOL,
so glad to see you doing so well, when one does the three dashes what does it
mean?
hugs DAwn
Keith and Dawn Besherse <kdjquilts@...
Hey Dawn; My name is Dawn and I had my surgery on Sept. 30th... how cool is
that! I live in Kansas right now, my dear husband is in the USARMY so we
move around a bit. I am doing pretty good, slowly feeling better... hope
you are also.
Dawn B.
9/30/03
340/315/175

Does/did anyone else's incisions itch like heck while healing?? Mine are
sometimes unbearable. I'm walking in the grocery store and I know sometimes I
look like I have fleas. Scratch, scratch, scratch. LOL I use Vitamin E oil now
but this doesn't give me much relief. Any other ideas?
Chris

Hi there,
well i do know from talking to many others that nausea is very very common, i
get it alot. the first two months i am also told are really difficult, try
ginger tea and be sure u get your liquids in, cause that it self can make u more
nausous. try to hold out for a while longer if it gets worse go see your doc,
and just for the record ...rny surgery can be reversed in extreme circumstanses.
HUgs Dawn
Beth Itsmee <ladiebugg_105@...
Heeeyyy everybody!!! As most of U know I did have the Open RNY---it was a
revision from the VBG to the RNY. Well---it will be 6 weeks this Wed. sense I
had it & see I'm having a little bitt of the same trouble I'm having after I
had the VBG which scarrrrres me too death. It's not quiet as bad this time but I
feel Verrry nausated almost Alll of the time---I can't hardly eat any solid
food.The Dr. called me in a few patches that is suppose to help which the
nausated feeling but so far it's Not helping much at alllll I know this surgery
is not reverseable, & I don't know what to do--I wonder if I will alllways feel
weak & not ever be able to eat solid food--- Pleeeeaze ANYbody that has
experienced this--Pleeeeeeeaze e-mail me for some advice or sommmething. I feew
AWWWFUL!!!! Feel free to private e-mail me Ladiebugg_105@... Lori

In a message dated 10/18/2003 7:23:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Grimmlah1@... writes:
I just want
everyone on this board to know that I am not depressed and I have never
suffered from depression I am just trying to let people know the good and the
not so
good sides of surgery.
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/247/135
I think it is very important for everyone to know every side of this decision
to have this surgery Lori Anne. Honesty is a rare commodity. Its good to see
that people still know how to be honest and open. God Bless!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/18/2003 9:09:40 AM Central Standard Time,
candiread@... writes:
By the way...thanks you Wolfie for your concern. I really appreciated your
e-mails.
Candi
Awwwwwwww Candi. Your welcome. I get very concerned about my WLS family. And
you are always there when I need help to. I appreciate that more than you will
know. Anytime I can help...Im here and girl if I holla...come runnin!!!!!
lol. God Bless and Skinny Wishes!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

I don't know what it feels like but I thought I might have had one so I had
my Mom look it up in her medical books. It's a protrusion of muscle (I
think) through the stomach wall. It is supposed to hurt like the devil.
But I believe it is located more near the belly button.
Candi

What does a hernia feel like? I have been having
pains in my left side up towards my rib cage... I
don't know if I have a hernia or if it's because of my
stomach starting to hang... if anyone can help answer
my question, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
~Mary~
March 11th, 2003
319/199/130
=====
"My wish isnt to be everything to everyone, but something to someone..."

Hi Virginia, I'm Mary and I am 59 years old. I personally did not have to do
anything to get ready for surgery. Some doctors require you to lose weight
before hand but mine did not. Some require a liquid diet a few day prior but
again mine did not. I am in a wheelchair, I had lots of medical problems and I
weighed almost 400 lb. The only thing that he asked was that I have my main
meal in the middle of the afternoon the day before, and then have liquid up
until midnight the night before. I did wonderful and was only in hospital 2
days. It has been 6 1/2 months and I have lost 91 lb.. Hope this helps. If
your
doctors doesn't stipulate any special diet then I would not worry about it. I
was able to have Lap even as big as I was. It is the best thing that I could
have done for myself. I would do it over in a heartbeat. Good Luck!
Mary A. B.
LAP RNY 3/22/03
Dr. Steve Weinstein, MD.
Mobile, Alabama
BMI 65/48
386/295- 91LBS.
59 years old

My hubby is active duty, in fact he deploys next month. I was kinda
hoping to get this done quicker then the 2 year's Madigan Army
Medical Center is saying it could take, because this time next year
we'll be PCS'ing to Hawaii. I definately don't want to have to start
over at a new hospital. We have so many doctors deployed right now,
they're not even offering the lap. It's open rny or nothing. The
nurse and doctor who did consult even tried to tell all of us in the
meeting (there was like 15) that TriCare wasn't paying to do it at
civilian hospitals anymore, which I know is a crock. A friend of
mine got hers done in Seattle a few months ago, but then she'd been
on the list for 18 months already and had her surgical date bumped
several times. I also know someone else who had it done in a
civilian hospital within months of talking to her PCP(and tricare
paid 100%), but her BMI was really really high and she had a bunch of
other health problems.
I guess I need to make an appie with my PCP and see what he knows. I
need re-fills on my meds and I have to see him to get those, so might
as well milk him for all the info I can.
~Tanja

I think it's more about how the surgery will affect the sleep apnea. It is
supposed to diminish as you loose weight. I think that they do need to know that
you have it when you go into surgery so that the anesthesiologist can monitor
you for any problems.
Linda
Pre-op Surgery 12/12/03
265/252/150

AMEN!!! Another rewarding milestone in your journey.
Congratulations,
**Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.**

I first talked to my Dr. in Dec. then again in Aug and Sept. (he was deployed
for the war) On Sept 15 he said he would write the consult. I called tricare a
couple times they had nothing. so on Oct. 9th I called and left a message with
his RN. she always calls back within 72 working hours. there was the weekend
and Monday was a holiday. I am pretty patient ( I am a nurse and know how awful
it can get sometimes)
She called me on the 16th said she would do the consult and DR would have to
sign it and if I hadnt heard from Tricare by Nov 3rd for me to call them. low
and behold Wright patt called me on Friday.the 17 and said they are now doing
the surgery at the base hospital and I have appt with him on the 23rd. I dont
know if I am approved or not. MyPCP was not to concerned about my attempts
that have failed over the years that my surgery would be approved for medical
reasons. I am on disability because of osteoporosis. last Aug he told me I would
never work again that was Aug 28th my birthday and on Sept 19 my social
security was approved on what records he sent them. I did not see their Dr or
anyone in rehab. SOOOOOO I have complete trust in my Dr and that is a good
feeling. my medical record has almost as much in in since April of 2002 ( when
my back said NO MORE!!!!!) as it did all the time I have gone to Wright Patt
and my husband retired in 81 so have been going there since.\
Are you a active duty dependant or retired and where do you live. maybe
coming here might be possible who knows I am sure tricare would rather a
Milatary vs civilian hospital.
The DR name they gave me is DR.Vesco I cannot find him anywhere in my
computer I looked thru all 50 states and DC.
Lets keep in touch we both know noone understands military unless you have
been ther done that LOL
Good Luck to Us ,Nola

Way to Go!!!!!!! I am waiting on that day myself!!!!! You Go G/F!!!!!!
Candi

I read that your dh is military, right? So is mine. How much of a
hassle was it for you to get approved thru Tricare? I havn't heard
anything official from them like I was expecting. Had my consult
with the surgeon and have a consult with behavorial health in 2
weeks. I was suppose to have the nutrition clinic consult the other
day, but when I got there the clinic was closed so I had to
reschedule.
I'm just a little miffed, the paperwork the doctor gave us in the
group meeting said to do all the appies with with the various clinics
and not to call our PCP's until 6 months had passed to see where
we're at on the list.
TIA
Tanja

Heeeyyy everybody!!! As most of U know I did have the Open RNY---it was a
revision from the VBG to the RNY. Well---it will be 6 weeks this Wed. sense I
had it & see I'm having a little bitt of the same trouble I'm having after I
had the VBG which scarrrrres me too death. It's not quiet as bad this time but I
feel Verrry nausated almost Alll of the time---I can't hardly eat any solid
food.The Dr. called me in a few patches that is suppose to help which the
nausated feeling but so far it's Not helping much at alllll I know this surgery
is not reverseable, & I don't know what to do--I wonder if I will alllways feel
weak & not ever be able to eat solid food--- Pleeeeaze ANYbody that has
experienced this--Pleeeeeeeaze e-mail me for some advice or sommmething. I feew
AWWWFUL!!!! Feel free to private e-mail me Ladiebugg_105@... Lori

Beth Itsmee <ladiebugg_105@...
Beth Itsmee <ladiebugg_105@...
know I did have the Open RNY---it was a revision from the VBG to the RNY.
Well---it will be 6 weeks this Wed. sense I had it & see I'm having a little
bitt of the same trouble I'm having after I had the VBG which scarrrrres me too
death. It's not quiet as bad this time but I feel Verrry nausated almost Alll of
the time---I can't hardly eat any solid food.The Dr. called me in a few patches
that is suppose to help which the nausated feeling but so far it's Not helping
much at alllll I know this surgery is not reverseable, & I don't know what to
do--I wonder if I will alllways feel weak & not ever be able to eat solid
food--- Pleeeeaze ANYbody that has experienced this--Pleeeeeeeaze e-mail me for
some advice or sommmething. I feew AWWWFUL!!!!
Feel free to private e-mail me Ladiebugg_105@... Lori Do you

Hello I am Virginia
I am living in The Netherlands and have the OK to have the bypass.
Believe me it was just as much a pain in the behind here with the
insurance as I see it is in the States. 7 months of tug of war is
what it felt like to me.
Any way I have tried looking up any information as what would be good
for me to be doing to get ready for the surgery Nov 3 and find more
post op information then pre op.
Any one got any Ideas like special diets and such? I am 175 kl with a
bmi of 57.
Ready to get on with this and get healthy.
Thank you in advance
Virginia

Jessica, I as well have high enzymes, the ultra sound I had confirmed that it
is a " fatty liver", I guess it is due to being overweight. Maybe you could
have a ultra sound as well. To be sure what it is not! Good luck!
Stef

Nancy, I also heard that she had WLS, but I watch all the time and they never
say anything about it. I was curious also. She is beautiful.
Stef

I have a c-pap I was worried at first but the doctor says it will
help in the long run and I might now be on it in 6 months. It helped
me out alot. I am not tired at all anymore. I will have my surgery
November 12, 2003. This is a way to get the surgery. Cause the
insurance wants you off the c-pap. I have asthma and it helps with
it. Don't worry about surgery. Just take it with you.
Joyce
11/12/03

Check this out. Nice article. We're getting our own WLS group here
in Tucson. Of course, they aren't covered by Cigna, my insurer, but
it's worth passing around to others you know:
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/31018GASTRICBYPASS.html
Patti in Tucson
Surgery date: November 7, 2003 at 9:30 am
Your Love Matters!
mailto:patti@...
http://www.lovematters.net

Well I had my appointment with my PCM and I talked to him as well about my
strength/energy problem. He said the same thing my surgeon did basically.
That I had just had major surgery and that it could be a couple more weeks
before I felt myself again.
I asked him to do an iron count and he said ok but that he was sure that was
not the problem. He said he could tell by the rosy glow of my cheeks that I
was not anemic. He also said he would do a thyroid check but he didn't
think there would be anything wrong there either.
HE gave me a perspective that seems obvious but I never really looked at it
like that. I am only taking in 6-700 calories per day and almost none of
those are carbs. He said that was not enough to sustain someone of my size
(weight). He said that if someone who was within their weight guideline was
taking in that few calories they would not have their normal amount of
strength/energy either. He told me that energy has to come from somewhere.
So I chewed on that as I drove home and I thought about what would my
husband/son be like if they were on so few calories. I doubt they could
even get out of bed.
So I have decided to just accept that it is going to take a few weeks more
maybe for me to feel better and appreciate the things that are already
better.
By the way...thanks you Wolfie for your concern. I really appreciated your
e-mails.
Candi
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Hello,
If I had 3 extra Lovenox single dose syringe with automatic safety
device for subcutaneous injection (40mg/.4ml) that I can't use I
would be happy to give it to anyone that was willing to pay for
shipping. This is illegal, of course, so I would never do this. I
am just saying that IF it were not illegal I would be happy to do it
but it is illegal. Bummer.
Jim
DittoHead2@...

Hi - do you know where I can find a list of tips for PRE-OP care. I
want to be as prepared as possible.
Thanks!
Alicia

In a message dated 10/18/2003 12:24:16 AM Central Standard Time,
apa@... writes:
Please keep in mind I didnt list all of the things we need to be
doing before and after surgery but just a few examples...
Allan A
Very true Allan. My sister had heard of a man that left the hospital, went
straight to a deli, got a huge hoagie and a coke. Went home and ate it all and
was found dead. People just do not realize that things have been redone and its
not a game. This is a for real surgery to be taken seriously and made with
adult decision. There was also a person I heard of that was having problems and
didnt want to bother the doctor, I think was the story, well she didnt get the
medical attention she needed and of course it was a sad ending. People just
have to learn to call the doctor. Get to the hospital if they think that
something could be wrong. Better safe than sorry.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

I couldnt help but get caught up in all the posts about death
especially since my surgery is not far off.While doing my research(of
wich I did ver intesly)I also found out that 1 out of every 200 have
complications and die,but my answer that I could not find out about
that number is how many of those deaths are attributed to the
patients own negligence.For those of us who did plenty of research we
noted that weeks before the surgery we should be taking in plenty of
water and getting well hydrated and also walking .We also noted that
we should be drinking plenty of water after surgery and also walking.
One has to wonder just how many of that 1 in 200 die to to their
negligence and not the fault of their surgeon.
Please keep in mind I didnt list all of the things we need to be
doing before and after surgery but just a few examples...
Allan A
Cincinnati,Ohio
Surgery date
12-15-03
lap rny
Dr.Gersin
University Hospital Cincinnati

In a message dated 10/18/2003 1:03:37 AM Central Standard Time,
coprhed@... writes:
hey wolfie,
thanks for the advice - i'll re-check what i'm taking and ask the dr again -
i'm even thinking about fosamax - its supposed to build lost bone - have you
heard of it? right now i'm so po'd at my hubby - not only am i coming out of
a c-section but then this and i thought i could have his support and he
stays gone the whole day - and his mom is living with us and i added in that
she didn't even offer to make me a meal
i just had 2 dayss of the flu with 101 plus fever, sweating/freezing, body
hurting --- and i'm the only one in the house.
Tanya
Hey Girl,
Well for one thing. Momma is dead weight for ya. Get her butt gone. If
you have to be there and do for yourself without her helping out then tell her
company is like dead fish...it all stinks after three days, lol. Thats what
my Mom always says,lmbo. With you being sick your hubby should have spent some
time helping you more. I think I have heard of the fosamax. Let me know where
you get it. You said the mother in law "LIVES" there? Not a good thing. Never
saw a house big enough for two women. Can lead to major problems. How long has
she been living with you two?
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Hey Dawn; My name is Dawn and I had my surgery on Sept. 30th... how cool is
that! I live in Kansas right now, my dear husband is in the USARMY so we
move around a bit. I am doing pretty good, slowly feeling better... hope
you are also.
Dawn B.
9/30/03
340/315/175

My name is Leah and my surgery is Nov 11th, husbands is Oct 21st. We have found
a drink at wal-mart called Fruit 2 0 with Splenda. Comes in Rasberry, Lemon, &
Strawberry. I like the Lemon the best. Also, Diet RC an Diet Rite are
sweetened with Splenda, but I don't think soda is allowed after surgery. Diet
Rite is also caffine free. I have never liked any diet soda until I tried them,
they really taste good.
Welcome to the group!
Leah Booth
310/pre-op/150 maybe??
Dawn <sweetdarling_ab@...
HI everyone...my name is Dawn. I had my surgery open RNY on sept 29
this year. I have lost 27 pounds so far was 317...now 290. I was
wondering...i am drinking ice tea and was wondering if caffeen has
any bad effects on us....also i would appriciate everyone listing
products they have found made with splenda.
HUgs to all, Dawn
Alberta canada
Dr.Knor

In a message dated 10/17/2003 5:25:01 PM Central Standard Time,
milkinmycoffee1953@... writes:
Be well all. Stephanie
Way to go Stephanie! I am so happy for you! I can't wait till I can get into
those kind of sizes. I've gone down three dress sizes sometimes four depending
on how its made so already I have some idea what it is like to shrink out of
the clothes. My fiancee calls me the incredible shrinking woman. lol. I LOVE
IT!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

I went for a sleep study last night and the tech told me that I
have "mild" sleep apnea. They put a cpap on me at 3:00 AM and said I
slept better with it on. The sleep clinic will be sending the report
to my pcp, who will go over it with me. Does anyone know how having
sleep apnea effects the surgery? Leah

Lori Anne, I want to thank you for your honesty. I am just starting
on this journey... not sure it is what I want, but have to do
something, I have the health problems. I think for those of us
contemplating this WLS, it's important to hear both sides. So
thank you for your insight, as much as those that are doing
wonderfully and would do it again. Janice

Wolfie
I am truly happy for you and you are doing wonderfully congratulation on your
outstanding loss. I entered into my surgery fully informed and eager and now
that I am in it I know exactly the road of life ahead of me and I accepted it
then and I am in it now. My path is not the same as yours I never felt held
back my weight I have always been a good looking chick at any size and I never
let that stand in my way on any level. I chose my surgeon and the type of
surgery I wanted and have no scars what so ever and no one would even know I had
surgery if I chose not to tell they would just think I am on a diet that
works. I did my surgery purely to look better not for health reason or issues
because I have none. Since my surgery was not to improve my life or health I
now
know that I should have done it a better way. This is how I feel and I am
only speaking on my own behalf. I am overjoyed that you would do it all again
but as for me I would not and it is not hormones speaking to you or a phase it
is how I truly feel. If anyone was to ask me about the surgery I would tell
them do your research join a support group or two get informed and take your
chance if you want to. I would not say heck yeah do it. For anyone who thinks
this is the easy way out you are the crazy ones this is the hardest thing to
live with for an entire lifetime.
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/247/135

No criticism here but I'd like to know what you told your insurance company in
order to have the surgery. I, myself, had to jump through a lot of hoops to get
this surgery. I had to be at least 100 lbs overweight, have tried everything
else to lose weight and have co-morbidity illnesses. I had to explain all this
in detail. I also had to have a good series of tests -- including assuring each
and every doctor that I wasn't doing this 'just to look better' -- which was
(for me anyway) a big no-no for my doctors and would guarantee non-approval.
[Now I understand why if regret is what follows.] There are so many people on
this list who actually need this surgery for major health reasons, would totally
appreciate it for the blessing it is and have been denied that I'm sure they
would be grateful to hear how they can get it done by just telling the insurance
company they want to look better. I'm curious to know what you told your
insurance company to get them to approve this surgery
or did you pay for it out of pocket?
Curious,
Chris
Southern California
<<Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:07:20 EDT
From: Grimmlah1@...
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1477
In a message dated 10/16/2003 7:27:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bosarge3@... writes:
Lets us hear from you in a year from now or better than that 20 years
from
now when you don't have heart problems and diabetes.
Hi Mary A. B.
I hear what you are saying but my family has these things anyway and if
I am
going to get them I believe that genetics will have it's ultimate role
anyway
no matter how much weight I lose. I have always been healthy and I
hope that
continues. I had the surgery to look better point blank to get back to
the
way I used to look not for health reasons at all I can at least be
truthful to
everyone. I did not do it to prevent illnesses because truth be told
if you
are going to get something you will and there is hardly anything other
than
eating right and getting a work out on to prevent it. I have
encouragement from my
family and friends so I am not depressed or discouraged I am just being
truthful with my feelings regarding the surgery I had. Even when I am
at goal
weight I will regret taking such drastic measures to gain control of my
own
behaviors. I made my own choice to gain weight and my own choice of
remedy to lose
the weight and all the consequences are my own for better or worse till
death
do us part me and my pouch.
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/247/135

Lori wrote:
does anyone know of a s/f drink that you can sweeten by the glass?
I know of a sweetener called STEVIA. I always used artificial
sweeteners until my sister (a clinical nutritionist) turned me on to
STEVIA. It tastes great and I prefer it over the artificial ones.
Some interesting info about this:
-30x sweeter than sugar (just like the artificial ones)
-It's a fiber (475MG per packet)Extracted from Stevia leaves
-4 packets provides the same fiber as a bowl of whole grain cereal
-Improves regularity
-Cleanses the colon
-Helps produce vitamins
-Assists and strengthens the immune system
-Supports liver health
-Supports the function of the pancreas
-Prevents the overgrowth of yeast
-Helps control the formation of free radicals (cancer contributors)
-Does not adversley affect blood sugar/safe for Diabetics
All this info is on the box but my sister researched and agrees with
all of it. You can find it in health food stores in a green box-the
manufacturer is SWEET LEAF.
Has anyone already heard of this and tried it post-op?
Thanks for all your posts. I could not have made an informed
surgery decision without you all!
Alicia
288/265/? Pre-op testing next week!

Wow, I can't believe how fast it happens! Its good to hear that
Liza is doing fantastic! Keep us posted and thanks Lori!
Bridget

Well I saw my family doctor today and she is going to make a referral
to my insurance company for me to see a Bariatric Surgeon. She said
there is one group in particular that my insurance company uses and
she gave me a little detail about what will happen the first time I
go to see them (that is if the insurance company OK's it. In the
meantime I have to go back next week to have fasting blood work. She
told me it will take about 7-10 days to hear from the insurance
company once she submits the referral so I guess I just have to wait
and see what happens! I'm excited, nervous and scared to death but
then again I'm sure everyone whose been through this process has felt
the same way at one time or another. I'll keep you all posted on
what's happening!!

Dear Modomiko, (Sorry but I don't know your name).
I'm the one that posted about still eating 2 oz. after a year and not being
hungry. Let me tell you, honey, I'm way more the exception than the rule.
I don't know why I'm still not hungry, but I count my blessings because
prior to the surgery, my food binges were rampant.
As for you "ranting" -- well, if you can't do it here, where can you do it?
I understand your frustration. The emotional eating is a killer. Does it
help to talk/write about what's going on instead of eating? How about
starting your own support group? Some of the best support groups come about
when the person who starts them is trying to fill a need they have of their
own. Do you have any local friends that have had or are considering having
the surgery? Maybe you can start small in someone's home and then, as it
grows, move to a church or something? When you move out of your head and
into a positive direction to help yourself, maybe you will lose the focus of
eating to satisfy your emotions. (Can you tell I was a long-term member of
overeaters anonymous?)
If you can't get into a local thing that suits your needs, keep checking out
the webgroups until you find your comfort level where you feel you can speak
freely and get the help you need.
You may also do well in turning off the cravings if you can just to a
"protein feast" for a few (3) days. It will get the carb cravings out of
your system and give your metabolism a boost. Once things start moving for
you again, a boost in your feelings about what you're doing may give you the
strength to stop the emotional eating.
If I can be of any assistance, in any way, don't hesitate to contact me
either through the group or personally. My best wishes to you for success.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/13/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

well, since we're advised to use baby spoons & forks as early posties,
i thought: why not use chopsticks? i used a pair to have lunch, it
was fun & different. & no, i didn't have chinese food, i've had it
only once post-op.
& does anyone know of a s/f drink that you can sweeten by the glass?
w/ crystal light, you have to make the entire pitcher. other than
decaf tea or coffee?
lori h.

hey guys. spoke w/ liza diaz & she's in great spirits. we're already
planning a "regular" store shopping spree, lol. she's beyond excited
& can't wait for her 1st appt. she reported a sharp pain to her doc
since leaving the hospital, but other than that, is o.k. not hungry @
all, taking her vits, etc.
lori h.

you go sharon!! awesome job! do u bombard dr g w/ questions, too;-)?
he's my hero, he's beyond brilliant, kind, funny, empathetic & just
divine!
keep it up.
lori h.

Is made by the same folks that make Crystal Light. Its put up in the same
little tubs. Walmart here carries it but if you can find someplace that has
Crystal Light they can order that SF Tang for you! Just ask ....the orange
pineapple Crystal light is almost as good too.
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 1483
From: summertodream1@...
2. Re: Leaving
From: "wlslori"
3. Re: How to
From: "wlslori"
4. Re: back after a long absennse
From: "wlslori"
5. Re: Digest Number 1477
From: "Mary Steele"
6. (((lori anne)))
From: "wlslori"
7. welcome bonnie
From: "wlslori"
8. Re: (((lori anne)))
From: summertodream1@...
9. Re: Milestones!
From: "wlslori"
10. Re: Sugar Free Tang...
From: "wlslori"
11. linda
From: "wlslori"
12. Re: linda
From: summertodream1@...
13. Re: Taking pills whole...
From: mamaslilqueen@...
14. Re: This was sent to me from another group I thought it was something I
should share
From: Joy Muns
15. Sugar Free Tang...
From: Wolfeyes205@...
16. Another three pounds...
From: Wolfeyes205@...
17. Re: Another three pounds...
From: summertodream1@...
18. Calcium Citrate...
From: Wolfeyes205@...
19. Re: Sip Sip Sip...
From: Wolfeyes205@...
20. Re: Calcium Citrate...
From: summertodream1@...
21. Re: Another three pounds...
From: Wolfeyes205@...
22. on my way!!
From: "Leslie"
23. Re: on my way!!
From: summertodream1@...
24. RE: Another three pounds...
From: "Tanya"
25. Re: on my way!!
From: "Leslie"

I say Yay you too!!!! Congratulations!!!
Candi

welcome aboard, lisa. congrats on the w l & the pre-op w l, awesome.
lori h.

Well folks,
It has been 3 months since the big day. The Dr says I am doing fine. My total
cholesteral is 93. But I never really had a problem with high cholesterol to
begin with. It's just not in my genes. My Primary dr saw the labs too and says
I am genetically made for the WLS. My HDL level was low, only 35. THis means I
am not getting enough exercise. I knew that, I didn't need the labwork to
snitch on me. :P
I asked him about the diet soda, he was OK with it so long as it didn't
interfere with my intake of protiens. (It doesn't, work interferes with my
intake) He's also Ok with me having a little coffee in the morning... :)
Now, before anyone jumps up and down and tells me it's poison, the coffee I can
NOT do without...so save your breath. The main thing is I am happy, losing
weight and most importantly, HEALTHY!
YAY ME!
Sharon
RNY LAP 7-17-03
Dr. Anthony Gonzales Miami Hope Center
315/247/150

you go, wolfie girl!! that much closer to the newer you.
lori h.

Wolfie,you made me laugh so hard I cried. Thanks. Constance
Wolfeyes205@... wrote:In a message dated 10/16/2003 8:50:41 AM Central
Standard Time,
tcpar2@... writes:
Okay Gals,
Although I am willing to try the baldy dance, I have a natural remedy if you
will. It's said that our hair is made of protiens of course, it also has a
very high sulfur and amino acids. In a natural remedy book, it suggests that you
rub onion juice into your scalp(onions very high in sulfer content)and take an
amino suppliment like GLA etc. I just had my hair cut shorter than it has
ever been. Having serious thoughts about that onion....and would opt for the
baldy dance it smells better, Constance
Well I don't know if I could go this one Constance without barfing, lol. But
I will try and remember it, lol. I believe I would have to go with the Kojak
look to!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

sounding great, linda, wtg!! the only time i started freaking out was
the night before, & i called a long term (5 years) postie & she calmed
me down. she sounded all excited for me, i momentarily thought she
was nuts.
lori h.

Hi all,
Well, I haven't posted before, so let me introduce myself. I'm Lisa, had my
surgery at Kaiser SSF on March 12 2003. I lost 40 lbs before the surgery and 95
since for a total of 135. I just found out that I have an abdominal hernia
and the doctor wants me to get it repaired before the end of the year. He's
goign to do it laparascopically. Anyone have experience with this and what can I
expect from the surgery, healing times, etc? I'm a single mom with 3 small kids
so I'm trying to figure out how much support I have to muster.
Thanks,
Lisa

Took the advice and just called bc/bs. The rep told me that she did
not have answer yet that they are still working on it.
While on hold....i was on pins and needles...nervous and anxious and
sick all at the same time....would know you can feel that in in
about a 30second hold....lol
Will try again Monday...
Leslie

LESLIE...call them..i called mine about 45 minutes after they sent it over
and i got an answer on the phone...and i do have bcbs..when you get an answer
get the approval number and ask them to fax the letter to the surgeons
office..thats what i did
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

Well I spoke with the Dr's office this morn and they said that they
finally sent my papers to the Ins co Wed. She said I should hear
something by next Fri. I guess I will start calling BC?BS and
aggrivating them now!!!!.....lol
I an so axcious I wish they would tell me NOW!!!!!!!!!
Wish me luck....I need all I can get!!!
ON MY WAY!!!!!!
Leslie
Irvington AL
220/preOp/120

I spoke with my surgeon about the calcium thing and he said that citrate is
absorbed better so he does recommend it....carbonate is ok but wont be as good
as citrate and you wont absorb as much....just my surgeons opinion
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

LOL wolfie..i saw your post about 3lbs the other day and thought i had
already read that one..but i now figured you are losing 3 lbs at a time..HOW
WONDERFUL!!!...i cant wait to be there...4 MORE DAYS
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

In a message dated 10/17/2003 6:28:08 AM Central Standard Time,
coprhed@... writes:
hey wolfie - it issn't citrate and i asked the nurse practitioner this and
she said any calcium would o - so i'll rresearch it since she could be wrong
-- i know one thing - i think i've had the flu the last few days and i've
never had my bones hurt so bad in all my life. thanks.
Tanya,
I don't mean to contradict the nurse practitioner. But I have heard this
told to me by so many medical people that I know I am correct on this. Not
just any calcium will do. I made the mistake of taking the carbonate at first
and was told to get off of it and start the citrate. It is more readily absorbed
and because of the malasorption issues we have after surgery the citrate is
what is more absorbed. No way , absolutely no way, would I take just regular
calcium. I researched this for many many months prior to surgery and still
messed up and took the carbonate. So I researched some more and found out I was
wrong. I listened to whom I shouldn't and almost made my bones pay the price.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Ok group, I got on the scale this morning and I have lost another three. I
have found that if I make sure I push the water and up my protein when I am in a
slump it seems to push on and off. Makes a grand total of 45 pounds since
August 27,2003. Ain't life grand?! Heck yeah it is!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

How true this is. Thanks. I have passed it on to my friends.
Joyc11/12/03
Wolfeyes205@... wrote:
Subject: THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BODY
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

I also take mine whole and have since surgery. Depends on the person and how
well they call swallow things.
ROBIN, NEW YORK
AGE-41
OPEN RNY
OCT. 18TH, 2002
DR. EDWARD HIXSON
SARANAC LAKE, NY
378/246/170???
132 LBS GONE FOREVER : )
What a GREAT feeling : )

i am in a ZONE..lol..thats what i keep telling everyone that is pissing me
off lately..i am in a zone...no worries...lol...i am ready...
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

hey stef. you know i'm beyond proud of you, my miami amiga!!! you've
come a long way, pardon the cliche. congrats on your fantastic
progress, hunny! (((stef)))
isn't it the best to leave the previous MO existence?!
lori h.

me neither, boohoo:-(
lori h.

Lori H.
This letter you wrote made me realize this is what a support group is suppose
to be about...thanks
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

having the whole spectrum of emotions is natural when undergoing a
giant life change, hang in there!
lori h.

it's very true that being post-op can only be experienced by a
post-op. it's a true eye opener! i also went through a phase where i
thought i would NEVER enjoy food again & i both mourned & was furious
@ the same time. & another phase where i couldn't forgive myself for
having gotten MO. they passed, hunny.
our journeys, of course, will take us onto different psychological
terrains.
i've "known" you from this group for many months, i remember
distinctly all your pre-op enthusiasm.
lori h.

I'm in New Orleans and the local news channels did a report on this because
the hospital the surgery will be performed at is here, it's also the same dr's
office I used for my surgery. I was so mad when I saw the report because when
they interviewed a "person" for the success story, it was actually a woman
who had the surgery with them, BUT she works for them. Obviously she would only
have GREAT things to say about them. I think they should have used a success
story, but someone who would have been unbiased in their opinion. I'm the
beginning of a success story, but that doctors office has many kinks to work
out!!!!!

how did you know you were dehydrated and had to go to the hospital?
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

hey wolfie - it issn't citrate and i asked the nurse practitioner this and
she said any calcium would o - so i'll rresearch it since she could be wrong
-- i know one thing - i think i've had the flu the last few days and i've
never had my bones hurt so bad in all my life. thanks.
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

i haven't been able to find SF tang
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

I had my surgery 5/27. Have been taking my medications "whole" for
almost a month. My Dr. said I could try at the three month mark. we
all have different reactions but I am now fine taking them without
crushing. This too shall pass! Be well. Stephanie

I mostly lurk but I just had to post, hoping these small sucesses
offer someone else some hope.
Just broke the 200 lb mark!! 198 lb's it has been years. Also have
been needing to buy clothes as I am shrinking out of mine, well I
just got a few items size large! No more X sizes. From a 3-4x to a
generic off the rack size large, I am naturally thrilled. A friend
saw me in my swimsuit the other day and said "Oh my, where did your
stomach go".Still in the process of appealing my insurance denial but
I must tell you all even if I lose and wind up paying this off for
years to come it will have been worth it. Got an exercise bike to
work with these thighs.Slowly, begining to add this to my regimen as
thus far my only exercise has been swimming. Be well all. Stephanie

Subject: THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BODY
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Hi WLS world!!!
I have been out here just reading all the posts but have never posted. My name
is Bonnie, I am from Michigan and I finally got approved thanks to all the
suggestions from the room. Was denied for a couple reasons the first time
and accepted the second time but it took what seemed to be such a lonnnnnnng
time. The only thing I can say about the insurance game is stick to your guns
and if it doesn't go according to what you think is right you can also write
the insurance commissioner of your state. That usually straightens the
insurance companies out real quick.
I have the scope done tomorrow the 17th, I go back up the 30th for dietician
meeting and signing of all the papers and my surgery is November 10th.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
I am on such an emotional rollercoaster right now. I wish there was something
that would make it better.
This is a great group. I have learned so much from all of you that has helped
me come to terms with a lot of different issues. Why am I still so scared? I
need and want this surgery so bad. Is it ok to be ok with the decision to go
ahead and still be scared?
Thanks for being there for me and teaching me so much about the new lifestyle.
You are all wonderful!!! Thanks for letting me introduce myself. Bonnie aka
Huggs

In a message dated 10/16/2003 4:55:18 PM Central Standard Time,
bridgetnortham@... writes:
Keep up the good work Wolfie!
Bridget Northam
Thanks Bridget,
I have always been one that will tell someone just what I think in a
Bama Second! I hate when people try to judge others anyway and when they step on
my toes and my WLS family's toes, well then Girl IT IS ON!!!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/16/2003 6:14:56 PM Central Standard Time,
Grimmlah1@... writes:
Do it again no way Jose.
I was remembering as I read this that alot of people reach this point. They
have lost or are close to goal and then realize, OK WHAT NOW? There is only the
goal of maintaining now. I just hope that I will stay so busy and happy that
I won't miss that life again. I was miserable. Always felt like the real me
was trapped on the inside and crying to get out. I wanted to be healthy and I am
getting there so fast! And I am so much happier. Like the Carly Simon
song..."It Was So Easy Then" an oldie but a goodie. Yes eating was easier then
and
yes its harder now...but I wouldn't have it any other way. For me it is like
picking between sunshine and storms. Ya know ya gotta have a little bit of both
but if you could choose which one you want the most of the sunshine is gonna
win out everytime. I have no regrets. I would do it all again. And I had some
pretty horrible pain. But yes...I would recommend it many times!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In Des Moines Their were six whom died after Stomach By-pass surgery
just in a year and bye the sound it has something to do with the one
of the Doctor whom did some of them.If anyone want the info Contact
me I'll send it.Don't get all worried about this The Doctor it's
going to be doing them anymore Thank God.To bad it wasn't after the
frist one before now.I'd love that everyone say a prayer for all the
families of these people.God Bless everyone.Take care a friend
debkroll of Iowa.

Good luck and my prayers are with you Girl.God Bless a friend
debkroll of iowa,379/315/175 I hope or
better.

I live in Chicago, IL.
I am having a hard time with food craving and lots of emotional wants
for food. I am tring all my tricks but it scares me when this
happens. The "support group" here for people who have had the surgery
is a joke and that is rough. I just feel really alone with it all. I
often have felt scared to post in the past about my struggles with
feas I will hear that I am bad for struggling.
I am not sure w here else to turn. It is really rough. I read
someones post about only eating 2 oz a day at on year post op and I
eat more than that at a meal. I worry that I am eating to much. My
body used to tell me quickly if it had had enough,a nd now it is slow
with that so sometimes I eat more then feel sick. It is hard to gauge
what is the "right" amount to take in.
Thanks for letting me rant

Deb, this is awesome! Happy to hear about the weight loss and cessation of the
nose bleed. You go girl!
Chris
<<Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:30:01 -0000
From: "debkroll2001" <debkroll@...
Subject: New Update
Well I finally when to Doctor to get Weight I started at 379 by
there records and now down to 315 as of today.Wow it great but
slowing down some.It's wonderful to hear from everyone and there
progress and wish us all the best.I finally got the nose bleed to
heal up it was from the nose not my stomach.They said they scarred
it when they put the tube in my nose after the made my new stomach
and when it was pulled out it tore it in side and now it healing and
everything better.It fine as long as I don't get sick from eatting
something wrong are to much.I have two times eat one to many bites
and gotten sick.My fought.But can tell now when to stop.God Bless
and love all the info I've leaarned for the site.Your all Wonderful
and I greatful for your friendship.a friend debkroll of
iowa,379/315/175 or better would be happy.

Congratulations, Tanya! It's wonderful to lose 11 lbs. You're on your way to a
new you!! I'm so happy for you.
Chris

I am going to be gone for a week on vacation. Than I will be back
and have to go to the hospital for a Greenfielder put in. Than on
Monday October 27 I start a new job. They are going to work with me
with the WLS. I will read my email late at night after that. Thanks
for the help I really enjoyed this chat support. I WILL BE BACK.
Joyce
11/12/03

Hmmm ... so far everyone who has answered has indicated they take their pills
whole. I would love to take mine whole because they taste DISGUSTING. Does
anyone ground theirs up? If I don't hear from anyone, I'm going to try taking
mine whole and see if my blood pressure is affected. None of my pills are time
released.
Chris
<<Message: 13
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:32:48 -0500 (Central Standard Time)
From: "Tanya" <coprhed@...
Subject: RE: Ground up Medications
hey chris,
i had my surgery 9/22 and i hated the 2 flintstones chewable vitamin
and i
asked if i could take my prenatal vitamine if it wasn't to big to get
down
and they said OK and its prretty big but i take it every morning and
its
never given me a problem - it has a slick coating - the other day i had
sinus bad and i swallowed 2 maxifed G's and later i had bad back pain
and
swallowed 2 capsules of demerol with no problem - i do chewable calcium
though.
Tanya
visit our website
www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html
www.poncetihomes.com

Way to go Deb!! That's great news!!! Keep up the good work!
Tanya T.

Hey Wolfie,
I like your response! Tucker Carlson is just an example of alot of
people I know that run their mouths about without knowing what
they're talking about. It's bad enough trying to convince your
family and friends that wls surgery is a necessity without having to
listen to this stuff on tv! Lets face it - it was hard for each and
everyone of us to get to the point that we decided to have surgery.
How dare someone like Tucker Carlson say we are lazy when he hasn't
been in our shoes! I think its important to point out that they
have found that hormone ghrelin or whatever its called that affects
our eating and wls keeps the ghrelin in check.
Enough complaining by me for awhile,
Keep up the good work Wolfie!
Bridget Northam

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Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Liza
WELCOME TO THE LOSING SIDE LIZE. AINT LIFE GRAND?!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/16/2003 12:31:55 PM Central Standard Time,
bridgetnortham@... writes:
My nutrionist said the same thing about soda as you did Tanya. She
said its ok in SMALL amounts after the pouch has healed and that I
would have to open it up awhile beforehand to get rid of the
carbonation. I agree with you that that tastes like crap! I'm
going to focus on water (even though I get sick of water) because we
shouldn't go through surgery and all this only to blow it on
something stupid like coke:)
Take care,
Bridget Northam
I made up some sugar free tang last night. It was really good. So any of you
that gets tired of water might want to try it.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/16/2003 11:33:29 AM Central Standard Time,
wlslori@... writes:
another butterfly in the making!
lori h.
Hey group! Aren't butterflies beautiful? The wonderment of it all is amazing!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/16/2003 3:46:40 PM Central Standard Time,
babyfemmey@... writes:
Hi all,
Since there are so many people here in the medical
profession or with lots of experience, I was wondering if
any of you have heard of citrus intolerance?? Sometimes I
can eat an orange or have a small glass of juice, but 90%
of the time, if I do, I get unpleasant side-effects.
Without being gross Iâll just say it doesnât digest well.
Iâve been like this for many years. I am also lactose
intolerant and take dairy pills for that when I have milk
products, but are there any pills that I can take with
orange juice? Or is it so high in sugar I shouldnât bother
with it post-op anyway?
Thanks,
Kris
Kris,
I realize that you said this has bothered you for years. All I can reply
to is that my nutritionist said that we shouldn't eat citrus for a few months
because it could plug up the opening to the pouch.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

People like you are so infuriating. You have this outlook about things that
you know nothing of. Sure you "Hear about topics" and you have what you call
your OPINION. But you know what people say about opinions right? I am also a WLS
patient. I have had the surgery and have now rid myself of so many of the
comordities I had. Diabetes is such a debilitating disease. I tried every diet.
I
walked. I did all I could to try and help myself. People think this is the
easy way out. FAR FROM IT! It was the hardest decision I ever had to make for
myself. And everyday of constant choices and structure for a WLS patients life.
It is a life altering decision to live healthy. I had this surgery for the
health issues alone. Not for the sake of being thin. That was a bonus. But the
idea of losing my sight, my limbs, organ damage from the diabetes alone was more
than I was willing to gamble with. It is usually a person that has never had
to struggle with their weight that has this assinine opinions of those of us
that do. Well Mr. Carlson believe me, you have not won many points in the WLS
world! There are many of us out here and more on the way. And every one of us
is sending
your message out so the world can see what kind of people are allowed to
voice the opinion of stupidity in our world today. Have a nice day Mr. Carlson.
And do yourself a favor. Walk a mile in our shoes before you try to judge us for
something you know nothing about!!!!! P.S. Al Roker is a beacon for this
surgery. What beacon do you represent? I have a few ideas but I don't think you
would like them. A very small shack type building with a moon on it comes to
mind.
This is the url you can find the irritating comment
at:www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/crossfire/index.html
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Hi all,
Since there are so many people here in the medical
profession or with lots of experience, I was wondering if
any of you have heard of citrus intolerance?? Sometimes I
can eat an orange or have a small glass of juice, but 90%
of the time, if I do, I get unpleasant side-effects.
Without being gross Ill just say it doesnt digest well.
Ive been like this for many years. I am also lactose
intolerant and take dairy pills for that when I have milk
products, but are there any pills that I can take with
orange juice? Or is it so high in sugar I shouldnt bother
with it post-op anyway?
Thanks,
Kris

nice to have you back, natasha. remind us which city you live in.
wtg on the 114 lbs!!!
i also have to watch the dairy, more than 1 serving of milk & i'm in
trouble. light soymilk is a good substitute.
my prot staples: shakes,low carb bars, lunch meat, cheese, chicken,
tuna, ground turkey, sunflower seeds, turkey or beef jerky, yogurt,
soyburger patties.
not overly exciting, but it keeps me in line. no cravings.
no dehydration here, sorry about you ER ordeals. though my water
intake needs improving, oh well, we're all works in progress.
lori h.

Well I finally when to Doctor to get Weight I started at 379 by
there records and now down to 315 as of today.Wow it great but
slowing down some.It's wonderful to hear from everyone and there
progress and wish us all the best.I finally got the nose bleed to
heal up it was from the nose not my stomach.They said they scarred
it when they put the tube in my nose after the made my new stomach
and when it was pulled out it tore it in side and now it healing and
everything better.It fine as long as I don't get sick from eatting
something wrong are to much.I have two times eat one to many bites
and gotten sick.My fought.But can tell now when to stop.God Bless
and love all the info I've leaarned for the site.Your all Wonderful
and I greatful for your friendship.a friend debkroll of
iowa,379/315/175 or better would be happy.

Wow! That is great! One year and 114 lbs. Keep up
the great work. I can't help you with the food,
haven't had surgery yet.
Shannon in WA

Lori I think your a wonderful friend to Have I aplauses you from
visiting Liza and other after surgery.Your the
Greatest !!!!!!!!.Also Congraduation Liza wish you the best.Glad
everthing going great and Welcome to the losing side of life.And
hope you see the Wonderful new Life you gave yourself.Can't wait to
hear you write and say you have lost ??? lbs. again God Bless and
keep us infrom.a friend debkroll of iowa.379/315/175 or better.

Hi Deb,
Don't worry about posting the story. It didn't scare me, I scared
myself. I thinks it's good to have all the facts.
Leah :)

In a message dated 10/16/2003 8:50:41 AM Central Standard Time,
tcpar2@... writes:
Okay Gals,
Although I am willing to try the baldy dance, I have a natural remedy if you
will. It's said that our hair is made of protiens of course, it also has a
very high sulfur and amino acids. In a natural remedy book, it suggests that you
rub onion juice into your scalp(onions very high in sulfer content)and take an
amino suppliment like GLA etc. I just had my hair cut shorter than it has
ever been. Having serious thoughts about that onion....and would opt for the
baldy dance it smells better, Constance
Well I don't know if I could go this one Constance without barfing, lol. But
I will try and remember it, lol. I believe I would have to go with the Kojak
look to!
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

Hi all,
I have been on this group on and off since I was pre-op. I am now almost
ayear post op and I wanted to sign back up so I could get the support that I am
lacking here in my area. I have been doingokay.. I have lost a total of 114
pounds and that feels great. I am having trouble with what to eat these days
and I am just now finding myself having trouble with dairy and I used to eat a
lot ofyogurt for protien and ease.
Also can someone tell methe name of the group that is for people one year
out of m ore? I was interetsted in that.
When people talk about eating just protien, what kinds of things do you all
eat? What do you mean?
I need to get my food back on track and my exercise up.
Also, I have been in the ER af ew times since my surger for dehydration.. has
anyone else had trouble with this? It is usually following a bad flu or bout
with
diareah and then I just can't catch up on my l iquids in time.
thanks!
Natasha
lap rny 11/19/02
340/226/160

In a message dated 10/16/2003 5:34:19 AM Central Standard Time,
coprhed@... writes:
i do chewable calcium
though.
Tanya
Tanya,
Is the calcium your chewing a citrate? If not I would get with my
nutritionist because the citrate is the one that is readily absorbed and so
beneficial to your bones.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

i have only heard it on here wolfie...i asked my surgeon tuesday when i went
in and he said it wasnt so....so i dont know....you know how surgeons are they
are all different in their beliefs
Linda
Pre-Op LapRNY
Surgery Date 10-21-03
Dr. K. Borhanian
Rock Hill SC

I was just wondering. Has anyone heard that you can only absorb 30 grams of
protein at a time?
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/16/2003 1:28:16 AM Central Standard Time,
candiread@... writes:
It seems to depend on your doctor if you have to grind them up or not. I
have been taking my pulls whole since they day after surgery.
Candi
I think that it really would depend on the size of the pill. If its bigger
than an M&M I would definitely break it in half or grind it up. I just heard
from another support group where a fellow WLS group member had forgotten and
took
a pill whole. It ripped his pouch and released into his system. He had to
have a second surgery. So you just have to be so careful with the new pouch. He
had his surgery two weeks prior to this happening.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/15/2003 11:50:09 PM Central Standard Time,
gonnabthin1@... writes:
I want to thank all of you for your kind words,advice and support.
It really did help! I will write letters to my loved ones, I think
it'll help. Please keep us in your prayers.
Leah
You are definitely in my prayers. Remember Leah you are a child of God, he
loves you and he will guide you with loving hands and a loving heart.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

In a message dated 10/15/2003 10:44:40 PM Central Standard Time,
chandy@... writes:
I have heard that some people do wake up with the ng tubes in. I was
fortunate. I only had the drain and the central line.
Wolfie
Leeds, Alabama
Lap RNY
August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.
Medical Center East
Beginning Weight: 336
"Keep Em Laughing!"

This is a link to the Medic Alert Foundation:
http://www.medicalert.org/(r1qtcu45l3srhbuj4ch3tzfo)/home/Homegradient.aspx
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/221/165
BMI 60/32.6/24
-165
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/13/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Hi everyone. I found a low carb store and bought some plain bread
and some Rye bread.
They have only 1.5g of Carbs per slice. Which is great for those of
us that love bread.
I have used the Rye Bread to make Reubens, it has great protein from
the corned beef/cheese. and only has around 3 carbs per 1/2 sandwich
which is all I can eat.The slices aren't as big as reg. bread...
It is really good and helps to break up the same foods everyday.
lol..
Hope this helps anyone who loves bread.
Becky
Lap Rny
8/15/03
250/211/130