Gastric Bypass

Chrissy,
WTG!!!!! DOesnt it feel great! I Like you have been fortunate to have been
given alot of my new clothes as well.. Going from a 30 to a size 14 - 16 in 10
months .. Thank goodness My neice lost weight .. I got all her hand me downs ..
imagine a 41 year old wearing the same clothes that a 19 year old wore .. lol
Everyone is like wow .. I always wore things that were long and baggy, now I
wear more fitted clothes. Showing the Waist that I now have :) and the legs
that were buried underneath all the length.
I cant wait to go on a shopping spree that I have been saving for since the day
after my surgery. Keep up the great job:)
Ruth
Post Op Open RNY
386/204/???
Oct 29,2002
MA
badgrl21f@... wrote:
I have to admit, I am a shopaholic. Even larger I was...just everything was
from Lane Bryant cuz that was the only store with clothes I could wear it
seemed.
Unfortunately, my shpping has gotten worse, but its just because I really
need new clothes..hehe. My friend had a breast reduction, tummy tuck and lipo
about 2 weeks before my surgery. She weighed about 260lbs at her highest weight
and lost all the way to 180 on her own. (I don't know how, girl never eats
veggies or anything healthy and she has 3 kids! hehe) Anyways, she was a
godsend..she had clothes from size 22 to 18, and quite a few at that. I am now
happy to say she is in a size 11 and looks fantastic! Anyways, I have been able
to get by mostly on the clothes she gave me, and of course I bought some new
stuff...just b/c I could :) I'm kind of happy to say I am getting to the point
where i HAVE to shop because I am out of clothes that fit me. (just wish I
had the $$ to keep it up...lol) I'm actually smaller than all my friends (with
the exception of my friend Shanna..hehe) and they are loving it, because
well...I have LOTS of clothes! One of my coworkers has come on two separate
occasions to "go shopping" in my closet. My friends have all reaped the
benefits
with several trash bags full of clothing, and now we are having a yard sale in
a few weeks and I am going to again have more clothes to add. Its so
exciting. I have not been this small since highschool... I actually went into
the Gap
the other day, which only has to size 16, and bought a denim mini skirt.which
fits! Sunday I went to Old Navy after my eye appt and tried on a skirt and
some slacks, and I just grabbed the 16's to see (i never know, some 18s are
tight, others are huge) and they both fit perfect! I couldn't believe i was in
a
size 16! Coming from a 26-28 this is very exciting. The past six months
have certainly brought about a lot of changes for me, and I see the confidence
in
myself that is building and find myself wondering, who is this girl?! This
has truly been a wonderful and amazing journey of self discovery for me. I'm
learning to love the person i see in the mirror, not in a vain sense, but just
removing all that self hatred and shame....Believe it or not, I have recently
been considering joining the military (if it is even possible with having this
surgery I don't know). Since I have a college degree, I will be going in as
an officer, which is somewhat easier :) To qualify, I have about 50lbs more
to lose, and of course I got to learn to do some push ups and sit ups! I've
talked to a personal trainer and I am going to meet with her this week and start
working on a regimen to get me to my ultimate goals. (i must admit, i have
not been exercising like i should) For the first time, I feel like I am being
proactive in my life and making things happen, rather than being reactive only
responding when forced, and it is so liberating! LOOK OUT WORLD!
Chrissy
OpenRNY 02/19/03
310/203

Has anyone been on their period when they had this surgery?
Joyce
11/12/03

i just have to say that i am new to this groupand i am on another group
minigastricbypass group (mgb) and the drs there say you can only drink gatorade
because of the sodium and stuff. I have not had the surgery yet but i will go to
north carolina and have this done. This dr really educates his patients you
can find it at clos.net. I just thought i would let yall know.

you'll do great sherri. your eagerness & excitement is contagious.
lori h.

nice to hear about your progress. thanx for the inspiration.
lori h.

Debbie,
If Oprah responds, please forward it to us. I'd love to hear what she has to
say.
Debbie R.
WI
8/7/03 open RNY
286/259/150

Reminder Reminder from the Calendar of Gastric_Bypass_Family
FL Medical Center meeting
Tuesday September 16, 2003
6:30 pm - 7:30 pm
This event repeats on the third Tuesday of every month.
The next reminder for this event will be sent in 5 days, 4 minutes.

I had my one month and two week checkup on Friday. I have now lost
38 1/2 pounds. I have been given my last increase in foods. The
only thing that they told me not to eat was beef. I am trying some
new foods. Feeling great! I can move better than I have in years...
I am so glad I gad the surgery.
Cheryl
LAP RnY, 7/22/03
361 1/2 , 323

Why don't I get these postings in my email. I like that alot better.
I could get back to alot of you better. 63 more Days and LOSER for
LIFE
Joyce
11/12/03

Hello All!!!!!! Only 8 days left until my OR date!!!!!!! I didn't think I could
get any more nervous than I was, but...... am so excited!!!!!! I can not believe
that it is almost here!!!!!! sherri

CAN I ASK ARE MY EMAILS COMING THRU...........

Butter vs. Margarine
Subject: Butter vs. Margarine
BUTTER VS MARGARINE
Both have the same amount of calories
Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the
same amount of butter -
according to a recent Harvard Medical Study
Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods
Butter has many nutritional benefits, whereas margarine has a few only because
they are added.
Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of
other foods
Butter has been around for centuries whereas margarine has been around for
less then 100 years
Now for Margarine...
° Lowers HDL cholesterol (and this is the good one)
° Increases the risk of cancers by up to five-fold
° Lowers quality of breast milk
° Decreases immune response
° Decreases insulin response
And here is the most disturbing fact.... Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE from
being PLASTIC.*
This fact alone should be enough to have you avoiding margarine for life and
anything else that is hydrogenated - this means hydrogen is added changing the
molecular structure of the food
EXPERIMENT: Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or a
shaded area.
Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things - no flies, not even
those pesky fruit flies will go near it, (that should tell you something) It
does not rot, or smell differently..
Because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow on it, even those teeny
weenie micro-organisms will not a find a home to grow on...Why? because it is
nearly plastic.
* Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?

Congratulations, Tanya! That is great news!!!

Wow, my surgery twinnie! You're smoking me in the numbers game. I should know
tonight where I am ... I'm speaking at the seminar again tonight. Evidently
being an emotional cry-baby helped lots of people out at the last one. ~shakes
her head~ So I'll let you know tonight or tomorrow.
Way to go, girl! I'm so proud of you.
Diana

OK wolfie.Slow down and remember the scale you bought is diffrent
then the Doctor scale.I'm sure you have lost just your scale just
not set right and alot diffrent from his.I'm praying your going to
be fine and Great at losing.I don't have a scale maybe thats
Good.becuz it would Yell go and step on too.I wish you the Best and
Remember your losing inches along with lbs.And everyone loses
different too.Your the GREATEST Hang in there.a friend debkroll of
Iowa.

Hey gang,
Just wanted to give a mini-update. If the scale is to be believed at
my college weight room, I'm down from 370 to 350. Thats another
twenty for a total of 82 lbs since June 20th. I'm psyched!!! I hope
to GOD that the scale is correct because it means my goal of 325 by
Halloween is going to be no problem! Wish me luck!
Tanya
432/350/170
Lap RNY 6/20/03
Anyone else want to give a shout out about how they are doing? Lets
take a poll. Who has lost what and since what date?

Dumping is the body's reaction to putting too much refined sugar into
your stomach and it goes straight into your intestines which are not
able to digest it. It is really another word for a hypoglycemic
reaction. Dumping (for me) was not throwing up, but just really
nauseaus, cold sweat, fluish, miserable, i want to die feeling. Since
I didn't throw up, I didn'thave to worry about counting or not
counting proteins. I hope this helps just a little bit.
Your Loser Friend,
Michelle

Okay, I live in Alabama and on an AL BB I post at someone posted
about the BC/BS of AL changing it's way of paying for bariatric
surgery. They said they heard that BC/BS of AL will only pay %50 of
the surgery after the first of the year. Now I wonder IF this is
true or just a rumor? If it's true, then when (thinking positive) I
get approved this year and have surgery planned for after the first
of the year (2004) will I then have to pay %50? Or will I fall under
this years plan since I would have been approved this year (2003)?
I hope it's just a rumor and someone stirring up trouble to get a
rile. It's not a good one to mess with. This could stop me.
Chelle
279 pre-op

Ok guys, I did the unforgivable. I bought a scale and now everyday when I
wake up it yells at me, "Step right up and see what you havent lost today!" Its
making me crazy. So now I have decided to pick one or two days a week and
weigh. I have not lost any more weight and I push the proteins and water. I walk
as
much as I can with these horrible joints. I have been doing more around the
home. I got up this morning and painted this huge deck on the inside part and
will go out in a few minutes and do the outside and then tomorrow I will do the
small deck. But I have to admit...not losing like I thought I would is pretty
discouraging. I know I have to keep my chin up and a positive attitude so I
am trying not to get to absorbed in the thought of standing still.Of course I
could be losing inches but two weeks out it would probably not be likely. I
wish I could find a bicycle I could ride around my neighborhood I hate those
stationary bikes. Before the surgery I threw one away. Of course it was
uncomfortable and I thought I was going to have to call 911 to get the seat out
of my
a**, lol. But I really would like to find the old style of bike. I don't want no
speed bike that I would probably land up in a tree with, but I would like one
of the old faithfuls. I guess I will have to start looking at yard sales and
such. Oh well, all you guys please say a prayer for me that the needle will
start moving again ok? Thanks and love and hugs to all of ya.
Wolfie
Post-op
Surgery-August 27,2003
Dr. Lee A. Schmitt
Beginning weight-339
Goal Weight-?
"Skinny Wishes!"
When I began this journey...I felt I walked it alone...but with each step
forward that I took...I saw both women and men joining me on my journey
forward...It is a wonderful journey not to have to take it alone....I love you
all.

I am 4 weeks post op and I am able to eat almost anything. I have tried
steak(chewed really well). I eat chicken, and ground (very finely) beef.
I have lost 23 lbs. I have not lost any weight in a week. I have started walking
2 times per day and also I have made myself eat 3 meals a day. They are made of
protein only. I have my vitamins 3 times per day and my my protein shakes.
I am worried about not losing any weight in a week. Do you think that it is
because my body is just trying to catch up with me. I don't feel bad, nor have
I had any trouble. I have not dumped, nor had any vomiting. I do stay away from
bread.
Is there anything I can do to get this weight loss started going again. It is
my time of the month and I may have actually lost some more weight, but I am
retaining a little fluid.
Please help..
Becky
MS
LapRNY 8/15/03
246/223/?

OMG - me too -- i've gone no mail and i'm still getting them and they say
the exact things you said - movie, approved, thank you.....i don't know how
to stop them. HELP...
Tanya
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www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html

Probably every one of us on this list has been where you are, so stop
worrying. We all plateau and/or fluctuate at some point, especially
women. A few helpful hints: for a few days, eat practically nothing
but protein, increase your water intake and increase your exercise.
The weight loss will resume.
And congratulations on your super weight loss!
Jan <

I have a dumb question about dumping. If (God forbid!) you do dump,
can you count the protien you ate at that sitting as part of your
protein for the day? I've not heard this covered before. Also when
you use milk is it skim, 1%, or will 2% work? I go for my pre-op
this Thurs. and plan to ask them also. They are supposed to give me
a packet with answers to a lot of questions but it is interesting to
see what the diffferent Drs. recommend, too. Thanks for all the
info I've already gotten. Judy Sheldon, surg
date 9/15/03, open RNY, pre-op 355

I am still pre-op but getting very close so I thought i would
experiment with some drinks.
I went to GNC and purchasd the pro performance 100% whey protien
(choc.)
And its very good.My question is will it be ok to mix it with skim
milk post-op?
Allan

Well I now am 7 weeks post op have lost 73 lbs. But the last 2 weeks
have not lost and this wee have gained 3 lbs . Any one else have this
problem or is this a problem ?

you rock, guy! keep it up!
lori h.

If you're a State of MN employee, how tough was it to get approved for
the surgery?
Thanks.
Robin
Wisconsin

to keep it concise (i'm @ work), the word failure does not exist. you
had the courage to change your life, keep your reasons for undergoing
wls close, hunny.
lori h.

Hi all, just wanted too give evryone my 1month post -op visit weigh
in results,started at 377lbs and am proud to say I weighed in at
321lbs yesterday 9/9/03, had surgery on 8/13/03, so 56 ponds todate
thats right around 2 pounds a day. Feel much better then I ever have
and cant even imagine losing so much so fast, although I do have
better days then others,all in all I feel real good.As for my diet ,
well was so afraid that i would "stretch "out my pouch , that my
surgeon says im not eating enough, that I need to eat more like 6
times a day in small portions, so 6 meals a day it is.I can eat
potatoes,apple sauce, soft cooked noodles,cottage cheese,cream
soups,scrambled eggs,rice,steamed veggies,canned fruit,and pretty mch
just drinking water still, afraid to drink something my stomach will
reject.Did my protein drinks for first week and a half, and now when
i go to do one, it makes me want to throw up, so im at a lost as what
to do for them, doctor says try getting my proten thru other
foods.The only thing I wish, is that I could be full of energy
everyday, I just never know if im gonna be weak one day or the next
so I have been unable to really set any time frame as too when ill
be 100%. My dr laughs says, relax dude you have only been out 3 1/2
weeks and are doing very very well. =)

We will have to stay in touch.
Joyce
11/12/03
290/274/??

Can anyone tell me how to get rid of the email virus that seems only

I am with you on this one. I am scare I will want to eat again. I
eat all the time now. I am tring to lost at least 10 more pounds
before my surgery November 12,2003. So than I only have to lose 100
lbs. It is so hard. I am scare after I have the surgery I will want
to eat again. I know it is going to be a head hunger but I feel like
I am going to be like I am now. Hungery all the time and I drink
water, skin milk, drink protein drinks. I drink 128 ozs of water
aday. My ankles swell up so bad at the end of the day I can't walk.
I take a water pill.
Joyce
11/12/03
290/274/??

Katie; I do not see how you failed.... you are pulling yourself out of your
bad choices and replacing them with good choices... how is that failure. As
long as you are still losing, and alive... than you have not failed! Life
is hard, and with our food issues it makes it very difficult to change....
we have to do it one day at a time. This is a lifetime of good eating...
not a year, not a month. As long as you keep looking forward and try to
change your bad habits you are totally successful in my opinion. Good Luck!
Dawn B.
Pre-op
Sept. 30th

Hi Deb, I drink the Carb Control shakes which have 20 grams of
protein. I did really good yesterday and I hope to keep this up. I
spoke to a friend last night which just reached her goal weight and
she really inspired me. She told me she felt sometimes she would not
make it but then she thought how can I not make it when I am so
close?
I feel the same way I need to lose 30 pounds and it seems so hard but
for all of us 30 pounds is nothing. So thanks for all your advice and
any more advice is sure welcome by me.
Have a great day Deb and everyone,
Vanessa

Hey Kristen
I am right there with you. I have been denied 2ce by my insurance
and I took it to the State Insurance commission where I won and now
the insurance company is appealing the decision.
Here's my advice for you:
1. Call the insurance company and ask them to fax you a copy of
their requirements for Gastric Bypass Surgery.
By law they have to give it to you. Read through it carefully and
when you appeal make sure you stress that you meet each of their
criteria for surgery. If they need 6 months of diet history show
them the 6 months. Get letters from WeightWatchers or previous
doctors whatever.
2. Speak to the Grievance and Appeals department of your insurance
company and find out who is dealing with your appeal. Become buddies
with the person on the phone and get their support that way you kind
of have a way of knowing what is going on in the insurance company.
3. Find out from the person in the Appeals department what the next
step is if this appeal is denied. My case manager at the State
Insurance Commission told me that a very large percent of appeals are
denied because they want to see if you are interested for real and
how far you will go to have the surgery. I know it is sick but they
want you humiliate you into giving up. (I weigh 350 lbs and sent
them pictures of me in my bathing suite trying to gross them out and
say yes. Didn't help me much but they know no matter how humiliated
I am I will not stop fighting them.)
4. DON'T GIVE UP!!! Don't let them make you feel so humiliated that
you would rather give up than try again. I went to the newspapers
and TV stations down here in Ft Lauderdale. The local NBC station is
doing a story on me (in my bathing suite!) to try and help me. A lot
of companies are trying to deny as many people as possible so don't
let them get you to give up!
Fight till the end and email me if there is anything I can do to
help: RaviGold@...
GOOD LUCK!!!
Love Vicky

Hiya everyone,
I may have brought this up before, so bear with me if I did and it is just
annoying. I didn't mean to post twice. I since May have had problems with
stress and with that stress just came a sense of disinterest in the plan and the
bariatric way of life. I just didn't wish to keep up my walking or any type of
exercising, my protein, my water, or liquids of any kind - except orange
juice - apple and grape if I could get my hands on it. Have any of you had this
problem? I remember someone said I "failed" - I don't know what to think
really. Did I fail? I stood up for one family member in this group who may or
may
not be here any longer and said she did not fail when one said she did. Yet,
did I fail? I wish to be honest. I want to say no - I had problems - and I
want to say yes - I got off the plan and lifestyle and now I need to get back
on and keep a watch for those times and "places" where I might be triggered
off my eating. I just don't know! I am very confused. I guess I am asking YOU
to make that decision for me - am I a failure or am I not. I don't mind your
opinions - though I'm sensitive - well that is for me to deal with. Failure?
I just can't bring myself to say yes, but I can't bring myself to say no.
Because I am loosing weight. I am getting back to my protein. We just had a
party and I've GOT to get off soda, but I do drink water. I am getting back to
not drinking for 30 minutes after a meal or any type of solid food - except
for maybe one drink or sip of something to "help it go down" or if my mouth is
dry. I just wished to share this. If you wish to write me personally my
address is PrincessandHope@... - no harrassment please! Or you can here.
:)
Thank you my family for listening. And I hope I get some answers. Much
love, be well, take care!
~ Seta/Katie

Ugh! I can relate! My one and only experience with dumping occurred with
peanut butter also! But I was using the sugar free all natural peanut butter.
The directions said to mix the oil that separates and eat. Well, apparantly it
is a good idea for us to pour off the excess oil that collects in natural
peanut butter to avoid being sick. I was at work too, and it was so bad I had
to
leave. I almost puked all over myself as I was driving home, it was
horrible. I finally was able to go to sleep and about 4 hours later i felt
better,
but so drained. I seriously would have crawled under my cubicle and laid down
if i thought i wouldn't get fired for it. It was the most miserable thing that
has ever happened to me. I did buy some more peanut butter, but I haven't
had the guts to try it again, even though i know it was the oil taht made me
sick.
As for things with sugar, I operate onthe assumption it will make me dump and
I avoid it. I have not had anything with sugar (other than natural) since my
surgery, which i'm very proud of :)
But anyways, i've gone on long enough... past my bedtime anyways!
Chrissy
OpenRNY
02/19/03
310/203

Hiya everyone! I know I havent posted much - dont really have a lot
to say - just like looking at yalls suggestions.
Here is my plight. I have Blue Cross Blue Shield of Illinois. Back
at the end of December I was trying to have the lap band. They
denied it but said that I was eligible for the gastric bypass. So, I
took about 6 months and did the research on that. During this time
frame all the people at BCBS were telling me that I wouldnt need a
letter for this new doctor. Could you believe they turned around and
DENIED ME! Boy was I mad! I found a doctor I trusted, went to
nutrition classes, took a walking class (that I used for a college
credit too;-) and then went and had them resubmit my request to have
this doctor do it. I talked to my employer and they told me that I
coudl appeal it as many times as I wanted to. But BCBS told me that
I could appeal it only once - and then my company could appeal it if
it was denied again. The reason they told me that I was denied was
because I didnt have documentation from a doctor stating that I had
a supervised weight loss in the past 6 months - i mean sheash! thats
what got me here in the first place lol. Now Im struggling with the
surgeons staff - they dont seem like they really want to help now
that I have been denied. ANY suggestions? I dont want to screw up my
one chance - I have done to much now to give up.
Thanks,
Kristen

Hi, Lori Anne: Sweet n low makes a brown sugar substitute that might
really rock in your recipe.
Jill- Louisiana

Hello All
OK here goes another food that I have tried tonight .... canned cling peaches
:) I drained a can of cling peaches that were in light syrup and I rinsed
them off and I put about a half a cup of peaches in a bowl. I added some
cinnamon and one packet of Splenda to the peaches and just mixed it all together
lightly and I ate it and it was soooooooooo good. I ate it all up and even had
the audacity to get a little more :) I love fruit and I am so grateful that I
can still enjoy it. The mixture is not too sweet but just sweet enough with
the cinnamon to taste like a peachy cobbler minus the dough LOL. If you want
to try it enjoy :)
Oh yeah and I am losing inches like crazy I measure myself all over every
week along with stepping on the scale and it is amazing how the numbers keep
going down. LOL I have always seen myself as a big loser :) hahahahaha
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/259/135

Hey guys,
What about recovery at home? I live alone and am unsure who would
help me. I am not sure anyone in my family has time or would want to.
Besides I would be too embarassed to have my sisters was little
peewee! Or my bro for that matter, HOLY COW would he ever freak out
if I asked him!
How much help do you think I will need? Obviously everyone is
different. My doc wants me to have it done open but I wonder if the
recovery picture would change if I had it done lap? I may be putting
the cart before the horse also. I need to ask my insurer if they
cover any type of home care for post op. I have bluecross blueshield
of Minnesota PPO. Anybody had any experience with these folks.
I also read the other post about physician assisted dieting attempts.
I also have had none. My old leech tossed me a diabetics exchage diet
book once would that count.
Oh did I mention I had made up my mind I want to have the surgery?
I am not the Walrus and I most assuredly am not the eggman!
but kookookachoo anyway ;)

Joyce,
Congratulations!! We'll be having surgery on the same day. It'll be nice
to know as I go in that there's someone out there I've connected with doing
the same. That's so cool. Congrats again, I know I can't wait to be on the
losing side.
Tammy
Pre-op 257
November 12, 2003

Great luck to all of you. I am praying for you all. It wasn't so long ago
that I was a pre op myself.
Kimmie
Lap RNY 12/19/02
343/189/135

hi guys- Ive had his on my mind for a while and I thought i post it to see if
anyone else has gone through this.
I am 7 weeks post op- Ive lost 42lbs BUT!...... i am scared!
I can eat anything- Iv e never dumped and the doctors assistant said I could
have lost more. I feel hunger and no I cant eat like before but i still can eat
almost ANYTHING....maybe iam getting paranoid! for me its hard to eat the
regular meals....I work a lot and I dont cook.( iam in the process of moving so
its hard to live off boxes)))))..so i am a meal on the go type.
Anyone can share some good advice..I would appreciate it.....
280/238/145
lap.July14-03

In a message dated 9/8/2003 6:35:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
chris40dd@... writes:
surgeons office called me today and gave me a surgery date of
Oct.13th. WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Congratulations Chris you are on your way to being a big loser too :)
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/259/135

Hi Deb,
Thanks for the advice. I actually contacted Walter at ObesityLaw.Com
today. I am waiting to hear from them. I like the idea of maybe
using the newspaper as well. I tried everyone when I started and NBC
were the only ones who responded to my emails and phone calls. I'll
try all the local newspapers again.
Thank you again!
Vicky

Chris,
I sure hope someone else answered this for you. Sorry I have not
been on the site in a while. I didnt have a choice, I had said I
wanted the proximal, but when it came down to it, he did what he
felt i needed. I was upset when i heard this. I wanted the least
amount as possible, thinking it would cause less malabsorption,
which i am sure is true of a proximal than a distal. I dont know
all the details, but i am sure you Dr knows what he wants to
perform, so ask him what his plan is and why. Let us know what he
says. I would be curious.
Lori
Open Distal RnY
August 1, 2003
289/257/145

Check out this web site for mortality risks for gastric bypass. It
was written by a San Diego surgeon.
http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/surgicalmortalitygwclark.htm

Dear Debbie,
I completely understand your want for dumping, however I was just
trying to help you out. If you want, next time I have the
unfortunate pleasure of dumping (oh please g-d, no!) I'll call you
on the phone and you can listen to be moan and wish I was dead!
Convinced yet? You have helped me out immensely so I was just trying
to do the same for you! You are really my hero here!
Your Loser Friend (for the rest of my life!)
Michelle

I finally got a date...November 12, 2003...It worked staying on the
surgeon and doctors butts...I am so excited to be a LOSER of a
LIFETIME...So next year I will but new clothes for the new me in
2004...I can't wait...I am going to be a big LOSER...Thanks everyone
who helped me and please stay with me...I know I have God on my side
and my family here in Gastric_Bypass_Family ...My parents still are
not for this but they don't want to see me go thru what they are
going thru with medical problems.
Stay as good as your people are.
I can post it now, I can post it now.
Joyce
11/12/03
290/270/??
Dr. Featherstone

Dear Vanessa,
I think you're doing better than you think you are. How much protein
(between powder and milk, if you use milk) do you get from your shake? 2
oz. of Tuna is worth about 28 grams by itself. 4 oz. or so of pintos is
worth another 9 grams and if you had any cheese with them, that boosts it
higher. I suggest losing the carbs if at all possible (other than the ones
from the fruits). This will leave you more room for fluids and proteins.
Ideally, if you can up your protein by having two shakes per day for a while
plus the little food you're eating, it will help you dramatically. Also,
whatever you're mixing your shakes with counts toward your fluid intake as
well. It's not just straight ounces of water.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

yay chris, just a month away! any ?s for us?
lori h.

yippee! you go, soon to be skinny!
lori h.

I got my date!!
God bless aetna, swift approval, nothing to complicate things!! It
took me forever to get to this point, but things are moving along
fairly well it seems. I will be in the hospital, probably being
instructed to get up and walk, at this time next week!!
WhooHoo, can't wait to join all you LOSERS

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Homestead Hospital wls meeting
Wednesday September 10, 2003
7:00 pm - 8:00 pm
This event repeats on the second Wednesday of every month.
The next reminder for this event will be sent in 1 day, 3 minutes.
Event Location: downtown Homestead, off 11 St
Notes:
email wlslori@...

Hi all, I am so excited and I'm doing the happy dance. Pam from my
surgeons office called me today and gave me a surgery date of
Oct.13th. WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Just had to share the news.
Can't wait to be a loser.
Chris
preop 10/13/03
280/ /150

Hi Debbie, I had my surgery June 10th. I tried so hard today to
drink the water but its sooo hard for me. I drank 30 oz so far so I
need to drink 30 more before i go to bed. I am eating about 30 grams
of protein a day. My big problem is carbs. I love carbs. If carbs
caused dumping I would be in heaven. You are a true inspiration. I
need to lose 30 more pounds and my goal is Dec. I only did cardio at
the gym today and did a shake for breakfast, lunch was tuna and
watermelon and dinner ws pintos and cheese. What else besides water
do you recommend? I drink all my vitamins and I feel great.
Vanessa

I thought of that. Except I haven't had my current PCP for two
years, I don't think anyway. LOL I've had my ob/gyn since 2000 and
they knew I was n a diet last year. I talked to them today and they
told me since they are getting a lot of requests for letters that he
will only write one for me if I have had medical problems relating
to my weight. I have but he NEVER told me it was related to my
weight. I had a lot of trouble finding a PCP afer moving here 5 1/2
yrs ago. I now have found a great Dr who supports my decision to
have this surgery. I will talk to him though and tell him what I
got back my insurance see what he says or suggests. Maybe he can
contact my ob/gyn and convince him to write a letter for me. My PCP
is a great guy and will help me if I ask, I know he would. So i am
feeling better about this completely.
Although now I feel like I don't have my dh's complete support
anymore since this has come up. He suggested I take the two years
and follow a supervised diet with my Dr. Only thing is I am
mentally ready for this and it took me 3 years already to get to
this point.
Thank you so much for your post. It has reassured me even more
which is what I need.
Chelle
279 pre-op

Dear Tanja,
I'd really question the removal of healthy organs because of the
"possibility" of problems down the line. Though the appendix is an organ we
can absolutely live without, the gall bladder does have a function and you
can be given a prescription for Actigall (generic is ursiodol) which you
take 2xs per day for six months and it dramatically decreases the formation
of gall stones. I'd really be wondering about that, unless it's more
practice for their surgeons performing operations. Somehow, I think I'd
want someone with longer surgical experience performing this surgery and
again, I'd be very leery of having a working organ removed for
"convenience." Hope you don't mind my opinion. Also find out what kind of
follow-up and support you will have as a post-op...
Good luck in your decision.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Are you saying they remove the old stomach? I haven't
really heard of that. I've heard that the old stomach
does have some type of useage so they leave it in.
Personally, if I were a guinea pig, I wouldn't want
anyone doing LAP on me, I'd rather have it done the
way the surgeon is most comfortable. Good luck,
Shannon in WA

hi chelle, how about prescriptions for diet meds. i was on Xenical
(blah) in the months before requesting wls.
lori h.

I personally can't stand the thought of something
poking into my spine. I'd opt for the pain meds.

This is the sobig virus and what it does is go thru your pc and find
any and all email addresses even in a word doc and uses them to send
itself. Set your option to "no email" and read all posts on the
website. The subject line is always Thank you! or That movie, or My
details, or Re:My details, or My application dont open any of these
and it is not coming from anyone here directly. The virus can get the
emails address books. This is why I never add anyone to my address
book. I keep my own hard copy address book with emails. Hope this
helps everyone.
Pamela
11/19/02
140 lbs gone!!
Miami

Reminder Reminder from the Calendar of Gastric_Bypass_Family
Weekly Group Chat!!
Monday September 8, 2003
7:00 pm - 10:00 pm
This event repeats every week.
Notes:

Tanja,
I for one will tell you that if they take out the gallbladder at the
same time do it! I did not have any problems with mine at all and
said "if it isnt broke dont touch it" and wouldnt let my doc take it
out....well now 9 months later after losing 140 lbs I have problems
with it and now have to have it removed next week. I wish I would
have let him do it. I dont want to go thru more surgery but I have no
choice. Granted this will be a piece of cake compared to the GP but
it still will be more sugery that I wouldnt have had to do if I wasnt
so pig headed about it 9 months ago! Ok...Ok now everyone that told
me to do it can say "I told you so"!
So let them do the gallbladder but the appendix??? That is very wierd
I think.
Pamela
11/19/02
140 lbs gone!!
Miami

Dear Chelle,
Do you have a good relationship with your pcp? Is he recommending this
surgery for you? If so, and, as you state, he knew of your attempts and had
your weight recorded in his charts showing your failing attempts, perhaps he
will still consider writing his letter of recommendation for you stating the
plans he "supervised" -- I.E. He can say, "my patient Chelle, followed

Hi Kimberly~~
I'm new here and I have a history of sexual abuse... I
was in counseling before surgery and have had to
restart it just a few weeks ago...
I think that in my case, it wasn't the surgery that
brought it on, but the loss of weight (my "wall of
fat", as I refer to it in therapy!), I used the weight
to protect me from men (or attention from men, really)
I hid behind "the wall of fat" and when it suddenly
disappeared one day, I hit the skids! I have had
suicidal thoughts and panic attacks. I have been on a
roller coaster... I have been put on anti-depressants
and am seeking therapy. I have built myself a support
system of friends, but it is tough... I have a
repressed memory that is trying to break through and I
am very frightened at what it is and how I will deal
with it...
Oddly enough, I seem to have no problem with attention
from men, now!! LOL, I went to my high school reunion
on Saturday and was treated like the belle of the
ball!!! None of the women would speak to me and ALL of
the guys were vying for my attention!! LOL, I was
flirted with by so many that I had my choice of
escorts for breakfast afterward... I took three of
them with me!! LOL...
I feel it is completely due to just dealing with
unresolved memories of my abuse and my feelings about
my father(abuser). But YMMV!!
Sharon in Houston
238/148/135
Lap-RNY 2/4/03

I hear ya!!!!
Yeah, can you imagine, we actually have bones and shapes under all this
flab.. lol.. Well anyway, the doc hasn't recommended anything, but thanks for
yours.. I'll go with whatever suggestions you all have, since he's lacking
them..
lol.. I'll try the Immodium... if that will help g/f!
Thanks alot!! You're never sure what you can have and what you can't unless
you do some research or you meet some great people that know.. lol.. Later.
Kimberly Greer

Well, I come back every so often.. I don't get online as much anymore because
to be quite honest, sometimes I just don't feel like it.. But when I do, I'm
here for hours.. Watch out!!!! Here's comes the internet junkie of a
lifetime!!! lol.. As I progress, and my health improves, I start to check in
more
often.. I'm glad to hear you actually missed me and to think that noone cares..
lol.. (I know that you guys do! just a little humor there..) Y'all are
fantastic!
And I hope ur doing great with your surgery ordeals..
I don't know what's going on with me.. I know I'm a week late.. ( the female
thing ) from last month, but I am so moody and crabby all the time... ( Fly
off the handle crazy anymore.. I'm even afraid to go to Bunco! ) Now that's
bad.. Because of my moods.. My anxiety's up, and I just feel icky and nautious..
Sometimes without the throwing up and my depression's unreal.. No cramping, but
my skin has broke out from the hormones.. I don't want anyone to come over
anymore or to call me and I definitely don't want to be touched lately.. In
fact, I've been having flashbacks of when I was violently gang-raped 11 years
ago
for the last week and a half, on and off.. I get up so many times in the
middle of the night.. I know it sounds nuts, but can surgery bring this on??? I
don't know what's going on with me, but it's so real... I had to even contact a
counselor.. I go to see her for the first time this Wednesday.. I wouldn't have
done this before, but I feel like I can have a nervous breakdown at anytime..
Well anyway, if any of you have experienced this, please let me know..
Kimberly Greer

Well I've only lost 47 lbs.according to the scale, but one thing is for sure,
losing beats gaining.. lol.. Hear me out y'all!!! I think I've hit a
temporary plateau, but I know that it's coming off because I can tell in inches
too.. So I'm pretty happy overall.. Still sick, but happier that my weight is
coming down.. I'm built to have a more defined waistline, and that's why I can
tell there.. I've always been somewhat smaller in that section than elsewhere..
I've always had bigger hips, legs, and thighs... an average bustline... Well
actually, I've always been a C cup until I put on alot of weight, and then I
became a D cup, so now I'm back down to a C... Is that a good thing, or not???
lol.. I want to keep my chest... lol.. I don't want to lose EVERYWHERE... Well
catch u all later... (Well, I guess there are some things we just can't
control!!!! lol...)
Kimberly Greer

i was supposed to have the epidural but because they gave me a blood
thinner they couldnt do the epidural so i ended up having the iv
pain killers

Is that coming from here some how. I recognize a lot of the emails
from here. Most of them are going into my bulk mail but a few are
sneaking into my inbox. I scan them all and each once says it has a
virus attached. Subject titles vary: Thank you, That movie, ummm, I
can't remember what others have said. I don't open them of course.
Anything I can do to stop receiving them?
Chelle

Christina you should be so proud of yourself 2 weeks out and already walking
your twins - go girl your going to be a wonderful sucess. Christina I eat
beans from Taco Bell for lunch often go on line and research high protein
foods you will be pleased. Life is only going to get better and better. Take
Care
Robin O - Calif
211-133-?????
Dec 5 2002

Dear Joy,
Go to your surgeon's office with a box of something or a handful of flowers
(whatever floats your boat) and bribe the heck outta the scheduling nurse...
Pull up a chair and don't leave without that date.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Dear Jan,
We are about the same time out (I just had my year last week) and we are the
same height. My goal is 165 and I'm told that this is a very reasonable one
by my doctor. I still want to lose 70 more lbs., but I started at 386 so
even our losses are close. I've got quite a few people in my in-person
support group who have gotten to the goal they wanted and then kept losing,
and then there are those that never quite make it to their goal. Everyone
is individual and it's hard to answer that facet of your question. However,
if you find that you reach and pass your goal, and you keep losing, what
I've been told is that you decrease your protein intake somewhat and
increase your carb intake until you find the place where you actually
settle. Seems pretty easy to me, but I'll have to judge how easy it really
is once I hopefully get there. Great job on your weightloss, kiddo.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Dear Misti,
Yes, not getting protein will definitely slow or stop your weight loss. The
old diet mentality would tell you that to eat less means to lose more. With
this tool we've been given, you have to get a lot of protein in, in order
for the weight loss to progress. You also need to stay very hydrated
(difficult to do at first, I know) but try your best. Ideally you want to
get to 64 oz. of fluids (water, flavored water, crystal light, decaf coffee
or tea, protein drinks, soups, etc.) daily. You also need vitamins and
supplements. This is not an easy thing you've done, but with the passage of
time it will be better/easier for you.
If you are eating things that are too hard on your stoma/pouch too quickly
you CAN cause problems for yourself. Please be honest with your doctor and
let him know what you've done so if there are problems they can be
addressed.
That being said, losing 29 lbs. (if I added right) in a month is nothing to
sneeze at! That is a wonderful weightloss for 4 weeks out. I had the dream
that I'd be in the hospital and come out thin. Ain't gonna happen that way,
but when have you ever lost that much so quickly before? All things in
perspective sweetie.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

While doing research I discovered that the hospital I'll hopefully
having surgery at offer the option of having an epidural. Has anyone
else used this while having gastric bypass? I've had 2 myself for c-
sections and they were excruciatingly painful to get in and the last
time the doctor told me I have very little space between my vertebre
and that's why they were having such a hard time getting it in.
The more reading I do, the more questions I have!
~Tanja

the hospital and the surgeons where I'll hopefully be having my
surgery. Went to their web site and to my surprise discovered that
MAMC (army hospital) doesn't offer lap only RNY. They are currently
doing a few select patients lap (as training for their docs) but I
don't meat their criteria. Then while reading their info on the
surgery it states that they prefer to take out the gallbladder and
the appendix while they're doing the bypass, just to prevent the
patient having further surgery for that later down the line. Plus
after they create a new "juice glass size" stomach they remove
the "old" one. I've never had gallbladder problems, no mattter the
weight I've been, but both my brother and sister have. And I'm not
even positive what the appendix does, but it just seems odd to me to
take it out now just in case it "might" cause problems 2-5-10 years
down the line. The good news I found is that their waiting list is
shorter then I was originally told and that at my BMI they might bump
me to the top of the list.
I have my consult with the surgeon on the 30th and after reading
their information I definately have some more questions to add to my
list to ask him.
~Tanja

I sent my insurer an email last night asking some questons since I
keep forgetting to call them asking some questions just to prepare
myself. They sent me a list of what they require before they will
approve anyone for this surgery and one is weight loss attempts
supervised my a physician. Here is what it says word for word:
4. Non-surgical methods of weight reduction must have been
unsuccessfully attempted for at least two years prior to surgery
(These weight loss attempts must be under a physician's supervision.)
I never had a physician supervision on any of my diets. I mean they
knew and my weight was of course documented in my records when i
would go in for others reason. Man o man! I am worried now! What
if they deny me for this reason? I may cry.
Chelle
279 pre-op

hey all if you recieve an email from me and it has an attachment
please be aware i did not send it i recieved emails from some people
in this group and it was a virus but i know that they did not do it
on purpos as this virus sends its self please know if you get a
email i did not do it im trying to figure out how to deal with it as
its now on my computer as me being the dumb one i opened one as it
said it was from someone i know please accept my appoligies i dont
know if its entirley my fault but please know i did not do it on
porpose i just found out about it
thanks sarah

Well ladies I left work early to se this show thinking there would be some
of us sharing about our journeys however Oprahs remarks did upset me some.
Especially with this surg. being so popular.
I also agree that we wil see where these people end up I do wish them all
the best I just know how the battle was for me !!!
Robin O - Calif

what agony, vicky! what comes to mind most of all, is that OA
saying that goes "let go & let God". you've done a lot of legwork,
i say you seek His will. sorry about all the frustration.
keep the faith, hunny.
lori h.

Misti, please don't get mad at me for being blunt. First of all, 29lbs in a
month is wonderful! Before surgery, I bet you wouldn't have been able to say
that. Now, if the doctor told you to stay on liquids for a certain amount of
time, why didn't you? You can't expect this tool to work if you abuse it.
Don't think you got the short end of the stick due to the amount of
intestine bypassed. You have to work with the tool for it to work. It doesn
t matter if they bypassed 10cm or 300cm if you aren't going to follow the
rules and follow the doctor's orders. You're worried about "im going to be
the horror story u hear where someone only loses 40
pounds with this surgery". Well, you will be if you continue to disregard
the doctor's advice and all the rules that you are supposed to be following.
This surgery is NOT a quick fix. I really think you need to sit down and do
tons of research and get yourself in gear.
http://www.gastricbypassfamily.com/PouchRules.html
Go there, read that. And do more research. www.gastricbypassfamily.com has
tons of infomation for you. So does www.obesityhelp.com
Good luck, and I really do hope you get back on track. I'm sorry if I upset
you by being blunt.
Shannon in Indiana

hey jan! goal weight is a loaded concept for me. work w/ your docs.
i was told to go by a healthy BMI.
hats off for losing the 141 lbs! you've come a long way, so you're a
winner no matter what.
lori h.

one year, woohoo! & yes it's a little belated, think i left my
brain overseas. what did you do to celebrate, btw? a big ole
congrats are in order!
i'm a giant wuss, i'm insisting on the pain pump, the surgeon showed
it to me in passing, but i was busy squeezing the implants on his
desk, so i didn't catch the brand name. without it, i'll probably
set the world record of whining & complaining.
lori h.
a wimp when it comes to pain

Wow...this is great detail!! I'm saving this too! Thanks so much for taking
the time to write all this down!!
DebbieW - Az Pre-op
"zoes.mom" <zoes.mom@...
Dear Vanessa,
Ok, first of all sweetie, how far out from surgery are you? That makes a
huge difference in how much you are able to intake. The first month is
usually practically a waste as far as getting your requirements met. I
think it's practically impossible, but after that, it SHOULD get easier.
You never answered about the amounts of protein you're eating or your
vitamins (I'm like a hound dog when I want answers... hahahaha. Don't mind
me).
As for the fluid intake, I do it in several ways. Yes, for most of us it's
minimum of 64 fluid ounces (I find that I do 120 or so for the most part
now). I drink all through the day and night. I keep a water bottle next to
my bed and if, for any reason, I wake up, I take a few swallows and go back
to sleep. Now, here's the problem with what you're drinking. First of all,
if you're drinking regular coffee (not decaf), it's a diuretic, so it
doesn't count toward your fluid intake. In order to get your fluid count
up, for every cup of regular coffee you drink, you have to drink twice as
much of the "good fluids" so I drink decaf or no coffee at all. Gotta save
room for my fluids.
When I wake up first thing in the morning, before my feet hit the floor, I
finish the bottle I took to bed with me (it's a 24 oz. bottle and I keep
track of how much I drink after midnight and count it toward this 24-hour
period). Then, as I'm getting my daughter ready for school, I fix myself a
protein shake made from 16 oz. of fluids (8 oz. lactaid, 8 oz. water) and 1
scoop of protein powder. This accomplishes a lot. The shake has a value of
30 grams of protein -- 23 grams from the scoop of powder, 8 grams from the
lactaid which equals 31, but we can't absorb more than 30 grams in 2 hours,
so anything above 30 is wasted and doesn't count). Anyway, within that
short time, I've gotten 1/2 my daily requirement of protein and I've already
drank, by 8:30 a.m., 36 oz. of fluids. I wait 1/2 hour and then I start
drinking my other fluids. Right now it's 9:50 a.m. and I've already had
another 24 oz. (I use the poland spring sports bottles that are 24 oz. or
the propel sports bottles, great flavors and also 24 oz.) By 1:00 when I
stop for 1/2 hour before lunch, I will have at least one other 24 oz.
bottle, bringing me up to 60 oz. of fluids. I'll have another bottle going
by 2:00 p.m. until I stop at 6:00 which is 1/2 hour before supper. Now I'm
up to 84 oz. Then, 1/2 hour after I'm done with supper, I start another
bottle, taking me to 108 oz. and most of the time I'll start another bottle
before I go to bed, bringing me to 120 oz. or so.
Don't forget though, I'm a year out now and it took me a while to get to
this point, but my skin is great, my hair, my nails, all the great benefits
you get from drinking water, I'm seeing. What I did to get started was I
would line up 3 bottles (24 oz. each) in the morning. I'd drink some from
each so that I had about 20 oz. left in each. I'd keep one with me and
throw the other two in the freezer. When I'd finish the first one, I'd grab
the second from the freezer and throw some regular water in on top of the
frozen. Then I'd drink that while it melted, then I'd do the same with the
3rd one later that day. That's how I got to me 64 oz. quickly. I also
never drank through a straw... caused too my gas and discomfort for me.
I do lots of things to make the fluids bearable. I eat soups (more fluids
and sometimes protein too), drink the flavored waters like fruit 2-0,
crystal light, propel (my absolute favorite is their black cherry), plain
water with Davinci syrup added to it, sf frozen ice pops, etc. It doesn't
have to be water as water. Make it as tasty and interesting as you can, and
you'll see that you are able to increase your levels.
Now tell me about the other stuff I wanted to know... hahahahaha. It all
works hand in hand you know... and it may be tough now, but I know you can
do it. I've got faith in you.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

A lot of people hit a pleateau and just changing the
amount of exercise or water can help get past it.
Really, though, 30 lbs in 4 weeks is pretty darn good!
Could you have done that without the surgery? Also,
you may be eating too fast, which would cause the
stomach aches after eating.
Shannon in WA

Hi all.
I am sorry that I keep posting all my pre-op crap in the post op room
but I need to have my surgery!
I just spoke to Neighborhood and they are APPEALING the decision the
Insurance Commission made in my favor. It's like a F***ing never
ending nightmare.
I just don't know what to do anymore. I am running out of time! It
seems like they just want to fight me till the very bitter end. I am
so depressed and discouraged. I finally had some hope and now it's
gone.
The guy at the insurance commission told me they can appeal and if
they win the appeal there is nothing left for me to do. If they win
it's over. If I win this appeal then they can appeal it AGAIN. He
said the only option left to me then would be to take legal action
against them and I don't have that kind of money. I have been un-
employed for 15 months and can't get a job because I am so huge! Who
wants to hire a 350 lbs baby elephant?!?
Anyways. As always ANY ADVICE is appreciated. I called the lady who
is producing my story at NBC and am waiting for her to call me back.
I think I have explored every avenue open to me. I tried everything
I can think of. Can anyone think of anything else?
Let me know?
Thanks all
Vicky :o(

Hi, All. Hope everyone is well.
I am about 3 weeks shy of my 1-year wls anniversary. I've lost 141
lbs., from 319 to 178, and I feel so much better. I'm still
losing weight, sometimes without much effort. I'd kinda like to get
to where the charts say I should be, which is about 165 lbs.
However, too many people are now telling me that I need to stop
losing, or even pick up a few pounds. I still see myself as slightly
overweight at 5' 9" and 178 lbs. I'd appreciate it if some of you
could share your experiences with reaching goal weight, the tapering
off of weight loss, and maintenance. The weight loss does stop on
it's own, right?
Jan <
Lap RNY 9/25/02

Dear Michelle,
The small cup of pintos and beans had 9 grams, the bean burrito has 13 grams
of protein.
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

Debbie-
I am hoping to have an RNY. I really wanted it lap but Dr. Zahn only does
the surgery open. He does do the DS and I thought about it but my insurance
still considers it to be experimental. Ill be going to St. Lukes. I
finally get my surgical consult this week Im so excited!! They said when
they called me last that they should be booking surgery dates for the end of
Dec early Jan. Its been a long wait but its worth it!!
CJ

hi everyone ...
i have so many concerns .....first of all im all most 4 weeks post
op and im scared ...i dont know where to begin but i need to vent
and ask some questions ...i wanna start by saying my start weight
was 317 and now 4 weeks later im only down to 288 and i feel like
this whole surgery thing is not working for me ...im always
hungry ...i think alot of it is the head hunger thing ...but i have
also not listened to my doctor ..im supost to still be on liquids
but have been eating real food for the last 3 weeks ...i cant keep
down protein shakes ...when i eat i always get sick for at least 45
min after i eat ...i cant throw up but i feel like i need to ...so i
just lay with this horriable feeling of nausea until it passes as it
does like i say in 45 min or so ...have i screwed myself up by
eating to soon ...i dont know ....i dont want to fail at this but i
have not lost no weight for the last couple weeks just staying right
at 288 ...why is this ? i dont know if it is because i am eating to
early or something else that bothers me is the more ppl i talk to
there more i feel like i got the short end of the stick with my
doctor only bypassing 100 cm of my intestant ....is that normal or
should it have been more ? ...i need some advice ...what am i doing
wrong ...why am i not losing any more weight ...i just keep thinking
im going to be the horror story u hear where someone only loses 40
pounds with this surgery ...maybe im crazy i dont know ...i feel
like if i dont get on track im going to be slipping into
depression ...and worst of all i blame myself for not doing what im
supost to ...could not getting protein be the cause of not losing
weight ...PLEASE HELP .....Misti

You must have ESP or something Kimberly!
How are you doing? What is the update on your situation? I have been
wondering where the heck you disappeared to. If you want, you can
email me directly at funmomof2@.... I just want to know that you
are doing alright as we all do. I'm sure you know how much we care!
Hope to hear from you soon,
Michelle

Debbie-
Where are you in AZ? I'm in Sierra Vista and hoping to have surgery with
Dr. Zahn in Phoenix Dec/Jan.
CJ

Hi CJ,
I live in Gilbert. I'm hoping to have Lap RNY with Dr. Simons (works with
Newhoff). I just noticed today that Zahn is covered by my Insurance too. I was
looking to see who does the DS in Arizona. I read an article today that DS is
better then RNY, but I'm going to stick with the RNY since that's all I've known
about so far and I'm committed now. :) What are you getting from him? RNY or
DS? Dr Simons works out of Good Samaritan, but I don't think Zahn does. Too
bad we won't be in the same hospital. :) But, at least we'll be in the same
boat at the same time. :) Look forward to talking to you through this all.
We'll be at the same stages...yeah. :)
DebbieW - Arizona
Carla Harrison <cdharr@...
Debbie-
Where are you in AZ? I'm in Sierra Vista and hoping to have surgery with
Dr. Zahn in Phoenix Dec/Jan.
CJ

Actually Lori Anne, I had friend foods for the first time two weekends ago,
and suffered no problems at all. My mom had a "day of beauty" and a day spa
here and for lunch we went to an italian restaurant where we had an appetizer
consisting of friend calamari and zucchini and it was delicious.
Of course I wouldn't recommend this being a staple in a persons diet when
they are struggling with weight loss, but everyone's body is different and not
everyone has problems with fried foods. Some people don't even have problems
with sugar and sweets, so it is difficult to generalize.
In all honesty, having this surgery has not made that big of a change in my
life. In the beginning it was drastic of course, being a major surgery and
having to learn to re-eat. But I have been blessed in that I was never really
addicted to sweets, my weakness was always pasta and french fries. I have given
up french fries completely, and until 2 weeks ago I haven't had any fried
foods. However, my activities haven't changed, and I still have no problem
going
out to eat with friends or on dates. The only change that has really
occurred is in the amount of food I am eating. The other day I was with this
guy I
have been seeing and he ordered a pizza. I ate a piece, but it was just the
toppings and I left the crust behind. Last night he ordered more pizza (he
likes pizza lol) and I just said i wasn't hungry. So far I haven't even told
him
about my surgery.
Anyways, I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Of course I know that it is
going to require more work on my part as the amount of excess weight I have to
get rid of lessens. But I am willing to do what I have to now. Its amazing to
say I only have about 60 or so pounds to go... especially when I started with
needing to lose about 170lbs! But I now feel like anything is possible.
Everything in moderation...
chrissy
OpenRNY 02/19/03
310/203 (5'6")

In a message dated 9/7/2003 7:56:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vmaung2001@... writes:
we now have 2 major things going for us...we cant eat
very large quantities and we dont digest fats. Might as well make
the most of that
I find that just drinking good old fashioned ice cold plain water keeps my
internal pipes running smoothly. Fats play an important role in the human body
and are needed but things like fried foods don't do very much for anyone. I
am planning to eat the good fats like those found in certain kinds of fish and
cheeses.
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/259/135

For some reason I can see the messages on this board on the web, but
I am not receiving any e-mails. I am receiving them from the other
list I am on. Is anyone else having this problem?
Candi

Wow that is awesome!!! I know there are no guarantees that will
happen for me. But that is my number 1 reason for doing the
surgery!! If I get off just the insulin I will be thrilled!!!! I
will be keeping my fingers crossed!!!!
Candi

PLease tell me this isn't so!!!!!! :o( Gosh I remember it being
awful when I was a teenager. But I had my first child more than 20
years ago and they have never been bad since. Man that is one big
bummer!!!
Candi

Deb, My water intake has been very bad. Actually I drink a 12 oz
coffee in the morning and I drink a little water in the afternoon and
maybe a glass at night so I know my water intake needs to increase
dramatically. How much do you suggest i drink? I was told to drink
64 oz a day???? Thanks for all your help
Vanessa

for some reason, i decided to install IM tonight, & when i did found
tons of instant messages, from gbfamily members, some of 'em from a
while ago. sorry, if they (you) felt ignored, i'm totally
mortified! i'll catch up with technology one of these years;-)
lori h.

kim, to be sure to stay hydrated. has your doc recommended
immodium?
& good to hear you're reaping some benefits, yay for waistlines &
ribcages & hipbones!
lori h.

Lori, I take Vitamin B12 orally.. He doesn't give the shots.. The nausea is
improving, but the diarrhea is awful.. But on the bright side, I am losing, and
I'm not sick as long as I don't eat.. lol.. Hope ur doing great girlfriend!
Hope 2 catch u later..
And oh yeah, my waistline is coming back.. THAT'S A DAMN GOOD THING!!!! LOL..
Kimberly Greer

hey deb, you're kicking butt on the w l, my amiga!
lori h.

That's great news Lori! Girl, I'm glad you're coming through with success and
just to let you know, I'm doing better too.. Keep me posted on your
progress.. My heart goes out to you all.. You all are dear to my heart cuz I
know I can
relate with what y'all are going through, the good and the bad.. lol.. Later.
Kimberly Greer

woohoo kathy!
lori h.

Hi everyone :)
Started my period again today... Oh what joy! LOL - NOT! This is the
one thing that I hate about having had WLS. The cramping is back to
how it used to be when I was a teenager. Thank goodness I have quite
a bit of the Lortab left as Tylenol Gelcaps do nothing to even touch
the pain. Besides the pain, chances are that my weight loss will
also come to a screeching halt for a couple weeks. I sure hope not,
but I am prepared to accept this to be the case given that this is
exactly what's happened every month since my surgery.
On a great note, at yesterday's SoCal WLS Get-Together, Stacie-O
told me about how I could mix the Nectar Carribean Cooler with
Pinapple-Orange Crystal Light instead of just plain water to make an
Orange Julius tasting protein drink. I've had the Nectar in my
cabinet for the last month or so but didn't really like it as it was
too sweet and didn't taste quite like a Pina-Colada as I'd heard.
But this morning, my sweetie went to Ralph's (supermarket) and
picked up the Pinapple-Orange Crystal Light, and I am in bliss! It
is SOOO good! I am beyond excited about this because now, perhaps,
drinking the protein drinks/shakes (and getting in my protein) won't
be as much of a struggle!
The concoction is still very sweet, but it really tastes great and
has a wonderfully smooth texture. If you haven't tried Nectar or if
you have and didn't like it, try mixing it with the Crystal Light
and give it a chance!
:) Caroline
Lap RNY 5/2/03
367/284/150 (-83 lbs)
My WLS Journey: www.tinyurl.com/bkld

hi suzanne, wtg on the w l! & yes, seek out any & all resources,
good going!
lori h.
16 non-complacent months out

Dear Vanessa,
You say that you are eating "small portions" of protein. You don't mention
fluids. If you're on a plateau, the way to break it is (1) eat more, not
less -- you should be eating minimum 60 grams of protein daily, if not
more -- do you know how much protein you're getting in? (2) you should be
consuming no less than 64 ounces of fluids through water, crystal light,
anything decaf, flavored waters like propel, fruit 2-0, soups, etc., and (3)
if your normal routine is to exercise 1 hour every day, three days per week
cut back to 45 minutes each. You just need to shake up your system. But
bear in mind that eating less never (with this surgery) will equate to
losing more. These are just suggestions that have worked for me and most of
my friends. Also, how ya doin' with vitamins, etc.?
live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt...
Deb in Hazlet, NJ
"Debbie Dancer"
distal rny
September 3, 2002
386/235/165
BMI 60/34.7/24
-151
-92.5"
Angel to Bill, Debbie (10/14/03) Ilene, Roy, and Ro

As a post RNy i can tell you from personal experiance that full
fatted foods are a blessing now. I look for my menu choices to have
a high fat content because I NEED that fat now to keep those blockage
demons at bay. If my diet is limited to low fat foods, in a day or
two the internal works come to a total halt. I have been locked up
for better than a week just from being resistant to the idea and
refusing to believe what my body was telling me.
As a RNY person I can tell you that I do not digest those fats, they
go right on thru the system and back out, pretty much unchanged as
evidenced by 'oil slicks' or floating items in the toilet. So a
handful of mixed nuts that count as 200 cal with 150 of those coming
from fat I count as 50 calories. An entire bag of Just the Cheese
snack crackers has 300 calories 240 of those from fat...so I count 60
calories.
As a Rny patient my body does not digest fats because of the way it
has been rerouted inside. HOWEVER sugar and carbs are still FULLY
digested and every one of those calories counts. Hi carb items from
sugar or starches consumed in any quantity do make me break into a
sweat because my metablolism suddenly has a bunch of extra calories
to torture me with. I am below goal weight now and have made a
deliberate conscious decision to NOT lose anymore weight. If I do
not consume enough carbs my weight starts to drop again. The added
cals for the fats have no effect on my weight.
IF you are trying to continue your weightloss please look at your
food choices very carefully. Fat Free foods as produced in the US
add sugar or other carb 'enhancements' to make the food taste better.
They just give you more calories in an area where you still absorb
all of the calories. One of my co-workers is also RNY and got the
bright idea to start consuming alcohol which is nothing but liquid
carbs in a glass and managed to gain 37LBS in one month just from
that...all the rest of her diet had remained the same!
We are no longer NORMAL, we paid good money to have things changed
inside of us...we now have 2 major things going for us...we cant eat
very large quantities and we dont digest fats. Might as well make
the most of that

In a message dated 9/7/2003 5:19:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hnyctt1@...
writes:
This is the first time in at least 10+ years I could stand long
enough to shop much less buy anything! I was so happy I cried and my
sister cried.
Well, congratulations .... yes shopping is an emotional experience especially
when the price is sooo right LOL. 172 pounds down now that is one fantastic
accomplishment so take a bow young lady and enjoy the fruits of all your hard
work. I can't wait till I start dropping dress sizes oh the shopping will be
enormous LOL.
Lori Anne
Lap RNY 8/25/03
274/259/135

Ruth and others,
Thank you for answering my question, it does help hearing from
others. I appreciate it!!
Beth
07/18/2003 LAP RNY
339/289/150
Boston, MA